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Old 07-01-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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Why, it won't change your misguided value system. The ruling today allows companies to use religion as an excuse to not provide benefits if the corporation is owned by 5 or less individuals that make up a majority share. This allows religion to impose their will upon other who do not ascribe to their value system. Next up, will be a suite filed by Jehovah's Witness owned corporations that no blood transfusions or major surgeries occur, and on, and on. New religions can be created to object to other benefits being paid out. This ruling was the gateway to the desecration of separation of church and state, and therefore is allowing religion to impose its will on others.

Your rights under the constitution were taken away, and you've rolled over and accepted it like a dog having his belly rubbed.
What part of the Constitution addresses employee medical coverage?
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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What part of the Constitution addresses employee medical coverage?
First amendment.

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Notwithstanding the sage contributors to Wikipedia, knowledge of U.S. history will reveal that that "wall" was erected to keep the country from having a "state" religion. Thus far, congress certainly hasn't even proposed to make any laws, (pursuant to the wording of that amendment), respecting the establishment of a religion, but it sure has tried to prohibit its free exercise.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:57 AM
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

I think that's why the justices voted the way they did.....or else they would have violated the owners exercising their beliefs.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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Is this a narrow decision as Alito claims, or does the ruling set a precdent with broader implications, as Ginsburg asserts? That's the crux of the debate.

If Hobby Lobby's owners' religious convictions were so strong as to affect company policy and other business decisions, they could've incorporated as a non-profit. This would easily address exemptions of a whole slew of issues on religious grounds.

But they chose to incorporate as a for-profit company. They deliberately chose to become a kind of company to which religious exemptions do not apply. By doing so the owners made a choice to separate themselves from the corporate entity. Legally, the owners are not are not one and the same as the company. Accordingly, the owners' religious beliefs are not relevant to how the company is run.

As lots of people have pointed out, Hobby Lobby is trying to have its cake and eat it too. The owners want the protection of the corporate veil but also the standing of non-profits' exemptions.

Frankly, the only religion corporate employers really care about is the Church of the Bottom Line. The business world has always hated subsidizing employee medical coverage. They've been finding ways of cutting back on healthcare since the 1990s. SCOTUS just handed them another way.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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State Mandated Contraceptive Coverage. Long before ACA a lot of states mandated that if an employer offers a Prescription Drug plan, they must offer contraceptive coverage. What happens now? They can refuse at the state level also?

An even worse case. Public Employees. Their salaries and health insurance is paid through taxes. Will a religious person in these states refuse to pay his taxes because teachers, police, etc., are using contraceptives against their religion with his or her Tax Dollars?????? I think Justice Scalia, Catholic, called it facilitating IMMORAL behavior by the Catholic Church. Hey, Scalia, that was a major I left the Catholic church 50 years. Do still have that right to LEAVE if I don't believe your religious dogma?

How far are these religious nuts going to go with this? Don't think that is possible down the line? They want a Theocracy, and will do whatever they can to create one, bit by bit.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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Apples-to-oranges. Unlike abortifacients, neither Viagra nor penile implants were designed to end life, which is the core issue around which this debate revolves.
Wow. It's sincerely amazing how uneducated you are regarding this. The morning after pill & IUD's are NOT abortifacients. Please get informed before you post something so ridiculous. Now, you still support providing coverage for implants & viagara & not the morning after or IUD's? How absurd.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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What amazes me is the amount of people taking this very limited decision and running with it to create all sorts of absurd scenario's and reach all kinds of unlikely conclusions. The hysteria I've seen in some is beyond belief.



The moral of the story seems to be that the government can openly and admittedly spy on its citizens regardless of guilt, assassinate them with drones, have insane amounts of corruption and fraud in agencies such as the VA, give massive big cash bailouts to private corporations, have politicians favor big money lobbyist's over the people who actually vote for them but don't you dare mess around and expect people to pay for the morning after pill on their own.


THAT is where people truly put their foot down!
But only Christian values receive this kind of scrutiny it seems. A couple of the comments here seem to conclude that Hobby Lobby is now going to be forcing a bunch of unwanted preganancies on to the world. As if all women work for Hobby Lobby. As if women have no control or responsibilities for their actions. As if this decision changes all of our lives.

I don't shop at Hobby Lobby, but I remember when the Chik-fil-A "scandal" broke. You couldn't get within a 1/4 mile of one at lunch time. All these "upset" people are probably about to make Hobby Lobby a LOT of money.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Wow. It's sincerely amazing how uneducated you are regarding this. The morning after pill & IUD's are NOT abortifacients. Please get informed before you post something so ridiculous. Now, you still support providing coverage for implants & viagara & not the morning after or IUD's? How absurd.
A tubal ligation or a vasetomy is (permanent) birth control. They are "abortificient" too? HOW? No egg or no sperm = no CONCEPTION.

As I said in another post, Catholic employers are going to object to sterlization too, and the SC decision opens the door to this also.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:43 AM
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A tubal ligation or a vasetomy is (permanent) birth control. They are "abortificient" too? HOW? No egg or no sperm = no CONCEPTION.

As I said in another post, Catholic employers are going to object to sterlization too, and the SC decision opens the door to this also.
And if they do you can go work somewhere else. It is a free country after all and no one would be forcing you to have that job, like you would be forcing someone to try to conform to your views.
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