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I think it is a choice and I am not a homosexual. I know a lot of people that feel it is a choice and they aren't homosexual. Also, the sin is not being homosexual but sodomy. Obsess? Seriously, the "agenda" (The homosexual propaganda campaign in America's media) keeps it in our face. Do I need to "search" here on the forum for the number of "gay" threads started?
Yet another "buzz" statement for the "agenda". That statement shows pure ignorance of the world around us.
OK, here we go again! Yet another hint that someone is really a gay. So sick of that. It is like the homosexual community has a "script" to go with their "agenda" as noted and linked above.
The discomfort comes from the lack of understanding of homosexuality. It is impossible for me to understand taking the health risks, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health | CDC not to mention risking my soul. Also, many of us grew up when homosexuality was listed as a mental illness and many still believe that it is and not one that is treated. And, you can bet that when a TV introduces a homosexual, that show is no longer viewed in our house. I do write the stations and let them know what I think.
This is yet just another hint that the person posting is really a homosexual in hiding in order to the poster to to stop posting.
Sodomy is a sin. The homosexual community are constantly throwing it into everyone's face and we don't want to think about the vile acts committed. I once read the list and the percentage of homosexuals that said they participated in them - no wonder we are uncomfortable in their presence!
Not when, in the name of the "agenda" you keep dragging up the same subject.
And, stressing "tolerance of God" because Christianity is not the only religion that considers sodomy a sin and opposes "gay marriage".
I encourage everyone who opposes the promotion of homosexuality on television to contact the stations and their advertisers before you stop watching and let them know that is your intention.
No, that is not true and those posting that crap are well aware of it. You are just trying to stop people that follow the laws of God to stop posting so it looks like people "accept". The majority of people "tolerate" but they will never "accept" that homosexuality is anything other than abnormal and that sodomy is not a sin.
We have been through what it says in the Bible a million times so that is a non-issue. BIBLE VERSES ABOUT SODOMY And, we are all waiting for the proof that it is natural because a lower form of animal does it. I have two female dogs, one "rides" the other. It is a sign of dominance, one is dominating the other although from what I am heard. Monkeys do some interesting things in public, does that make it OK for people? Normal? Natural?
Yes, wouldn't it be great if you shut down the opposition? We aren't interested in hearing about it but you can't get your mind off of it since so many threads here at C-D take the turn to promote the homosexual lifestyle.
"Hateful", buzz word for the "agenda". Christians are not the only ones who feel that sodomy is a sin and that "gay marriage" is..........nothing good. The constant whining and false statements made by the LGBT community must be addressed. It isn't about hate coming from others but the hate coming from within when you know what you are doing is wrong. I realize that the LGBT community would feel better about themselves if there was wide spread acceptance that what they do isn't sinful and/or unnatural and/or resulting from a mental health condition but you can't expect everyone else to sell themselves out (and sacrifice their soul) to make you feel good about yourselves.
And, there is no reason for those following the laws of God and that includes more than Christians, to deny their God.
How many "gay" threads are here on C-D.
They aren't perfect, so?
Actually, it was never considered a good and moral value to discriminate against black people It was an entirely different dynamic. Did you by chance study American history? I'm guessing not. Slaves were brought over in chains, sold and were owned like animals. Even once they did get freed, their lives were a nightmare. It wasn't that people wouldn't bake them a wedding cake, do the flowers for their wedding or photograph their wedding/reception and comparing homosexuals in any way to blacks showed incomprehensible ignorance of history.
Sorry, a lot of ministers have sinned and been outed but that doesn't make the sin of others any less of an issue. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Many have become separated from God and no longer know the difference between right and wrong: Separation from God (Forerunner Commentary) - Bible Tools
Well, I am not the one that brought up homosexuality. I don't think I have ever started such a thread although I do have a blog post which gives the background on why I looked and tried to understand so that I could protect my son who could not protect himself. People like my son are targets for sexual perversion.
To me, homosexuality is a mental illness and sodomy is a sin, both unhealthy from a mental and physical standpoint. Keep it out of my face and I will be silent.
You are like the professor of gayness. There's nothing you don't know. If I ever get bored with being straight and decide to flip to the other team I'm coming to you for how-to's. Just give me one little tip for now ... how do they get those abs? I want gay abs.
I think it is a choice and I am not a homosexual. I know a lot of people that feel it is a choice and they aren't homosexual. Also, the sin is not being homosexual but sodomy. Obsess? Seriously, the "agenda" (The homosexual propaganda campaign in America's media) keeps it in our face. Do I need to "search" here on the forum for the number of "gay" threads started?
Yet another "buzz" statement for the "agenda". That statement shows pure ignorance of the world around us.
OK, here we go again! Yet another hint that someone is really a gay. So sick of that. It is like the homosexual community has a "script" to go with their "agenda" as noted and linked above.
The discomfort comes from the lack of understanding of homosexuality. It is impossible for me to understand taking the health risks, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health | CDC not to mention risking my soul. Also, many of us grew up when homosexuality was listed as a mental illness and many still believe that it is and not one that is treated. And, you can bet that when a TV introduces a homosexual, that show is no longer viewed in our house. I do write the stations and let them know what I think.
This is yet just another hint that the person posting is really a homosexual in hiding in order to the poster to to stop posting.
Sodomy is a sin. The homosexual community are constantly throwing it into everyone's face and we don't want to think about the vile acts committed. I once read the list and the percentage of homosexuals that said they participated in them - no wonder we are uncomfortable in their presence!
Not when, in the name of the "agenda" you keep dragging up the same subject.
And, stressing "tolerance of God" because Christianity is not the only religion that considers sodomy a sin and opposes "gay marriage".
I encourage everyone who opposes the promotion of homosexuality on television to contact the stations and their advertisers before you stop watching and let them know that is your intention.
No, that is not true and those posting that crap are well aware of it. You are just trying to stop people that follow the laws of God to stop posting so it looks like people "accept". The majority of people "tolerate" but they will never "accept" that homosexuality is anything other than abnormal and that sodomy is not a sin.
We have been through what it says in the Bible a million times so that is a non-issue. BIBLE VERSES ABOUT SODOMY And, we are all waiting for the proof that it is natural because a lower form of animal does it. I have two female dogs, one "rides" the other. It is a sign of dominance, one is dominating the other although from what I am heard. Monkeys do some interesting things in public, does that make it OK for people? Normal? Natural?
Yes, wouldn't it be great if you shut down the opposition? We aren't interested in hearing about it but you can't get your mind off of it since so many threads here at C-D take the turn to promote the homosexual lifestyle.
"Hateful", buzz word for the "agenda". Christians are not the only ones who feel that sodomy is a sin and that "gay marriage" is..........nothing good. The constant whining and false statements made by the LGBT community must be addressed. It isn't about hate coming from others but the hate coming from within when you know what you are doing is wrong. I realize that the LGBT community would feel better about themselves if there was wide spread acceptance that what they do isn't sinful and/or unnatural and/or resulting from a mental health condition but you can't expect everyone else to sell themselves out (and sacrifice their soul) to make you feel good about yourselves.
And, there is no reason for those following the laws of God and that includes more than Christians, to deny their God.
How many "gay" threads are here on C-D.
They aren't perfect, so?
Actually, it was never considered a good and moral value to discriminate against black people It was an entirely different dynamic. Did you by chance study American history? I'm guessing not. Slaves were brought over in chains, sold and were owned like animals. Even once they did get freed, their lives were a nightmare. It wasn't that people wouldn't bake them a wedding cake, do the flowers for their wedding or photograph their wedding/reception and comparing homosexuals in any way to blacks showed incomprehensible ignorance of history.
Sorry, a lot of ministers have sinned and been outed but that doesn't make the sin of others any less of an issue. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Many have become separated from God and no longer know the difference between right and wrong: Separation from God (Forerunner Commentary) - Bible Tools
Well, I am not the one that brought up homosexuality. I don't think I have ever started such a thread although I do have a blog post which gives the background on why I looked and tried to understand so that I could protect my son who could not protect himself. People like my son are targets for sexual perversion.
To me, homosexuality is a mental illness and sodomy is a sin, both unhealthy from a mental and physical standpoint. Keep it out of my face and I will be silent.
Typical Jesus freak. What do you have to say about the countless priests caught humping little boys, are they simply imperfect? When people like you talk all I hear are dogs barking.
Of course. But moral conventions of heterosexuality often interfere with a gay person's choice of career, or could hurt his chances of promotion or other stuff if he's openly gay.
This is especially true if someone becomes a trained professional clergyman. Some faiths are comfortable with a gay pastor, but others are not at all. For the clergy in those faiths, even a hetero bachelor can find it impossible to get a job as a pastor; a wife is necessary at a minimum, and that's only if the couple are young. By the time a pastor is in his mid-30s, he had better have at least one child if he wants to rise to a larger and/or wealthier congregation.
The same thing is true in politics.
Larry Craig is a perfect example. He was known to be gay while in college, but at a time when gay frat members were never talked about openly. When he was elected to the state legislature, he was known to haunt gay bars and places in Boise, and once again, he was an open secret.
So much so that the Idaho Republican party leaders warned him he had better get married if he expected to get their support for running for a Representative spot in Congress. Within a year, Craig married one of his campaign staff, a woman with 2 teenage sons, providing him with a 'beard' (as a gay cover is called).
At the time, his wife and he were both young enough to have a child together, but that never happened. Marriage can be for a lot of things other than sex and/or love; his wife may have enjoyed the perks, or saw she would be more financially secure, or that her kids could get into college, or that she could live in the nicest house of her life. Anything.
Craig was always closeted, and was always known to be as gay as gay gets. But his Mormon religion, his career, and his own thoughts and insecurities kept him from coming out. In the end, it was like he had a split personality and some schizophrenia going on.
And he was probably justified in staying closeted. Idaho is not a gay friendly state, even though it's much more accepting now than it was then. If Craig had ever come out, that would have instantly been the end of his ultra-conservative career as a politician. He loved that more than anything else in his life.
Good observations, Mike.
I read all the comments on several sites, and I read the articles, the "proof" etc.
Here's my two cents along Mike's way of thinking --
I did not read the pastor's many quoted comments as being virulently anti-gay. Instead, I read them as a man who has been really wrestling with his sexuality and his life choices. Even the comment about alcoholism sounded like a man who is saying, "Are these feelings I'm wrestling with like being an alcoholic? This goes against everything I was raised with and maybe if I treat this like alcoholism I can fix myself." His comments weren't about anyone else, they were about his own struggle.
I remember sitting with a young male neighbor in college who was wrestling with coming out. That was many years ago and there was no real movement to make it ok. He was dating women and screwing all of them like some kind of horndog. But he told me (after many glasses of wine) that after sex, he would lie awake looking at the ceiling, wondering why his thoughts went to his male classmates more than to the woman he just had sex with. I imagine this pastor laid awake many nights staring into the dark, trying to find his way to his truth.
The reason I bring this up is the stunning intolerance of many obviously gay commenters on all of these articles. If you are gay, you know that you or someone you care about had a huge struggle in coming out. You know that in a midwestern town or in the Bible Belt it can't be easy to make that step. I would ask all the commenters in the LGBT tribe to be a bit more compassionate with this guy. Why are you all beating him up with so much hatred?
My interpretation of him going on that site was that he was exploring and trying to figure out who he was. He was trying to deal with what he considered his "demons." Whether or not anyone on here agrees with his lifestyle, it was his battle with himself and no one else.
What I want to know is who was the scumbag that outed him? That man had to have been on the website to have captured the chats. Was he a jilted lover? Was he afraid of his own sexuality? Why did he do that? My friend in the above scenario finally dabbled in same sex, and not long after, discovered he had AIDS. He had to out himself to his family and his lover. He had no choice. But it was HIS choice.
I don't care who the person is, they deserve the chance to out themselves. This guy wasn't some screaming hate-filled homophobe. His comments were mild compared to some of the comments on the other sites and here on CD - from both sides of the argument!
Yeah - he overcompensated. I'm sure he is the ONLY gay person to ever do that in his life! /sarc/
People who scream bloody murder about Porn usually have a closet full of it. People who scream about Pedophelia are often Pedos. And it's no surprise that a Pastor who makes a big deal about homosexuality is secretly trying to deal with his own issues about being gay.
How about we get a little compassion from the LGBT community for this guy. How about remembering what it was like to come out? How about compassion for his 5 kids and his wife who now have screaming headlines all over the net about him. How about everyone back off. His life is ruined. He's a laughingstock on the internet. His photo has been splashed on websites all over the world. People have gone to great lengths to excoriate him for being a young, confused, scared father of 5 kids and pastor in a church that doesn't approve.
Bottom line: He had competing priorities - his church and his sexuality. Not news. Let's leave him alone.
Why do people think if you disagree with homosexuality, you are secretly gay. Thats as dumb as saying I hate broccoli, so im suppressing my secret desire for broccoli.
Me personally, am tired of all the sissy male behavior I see now...ie super flamboyant men, dressing in drag, or talking like a damn sissy in a feminine voice. I can deal with lesbians, but never take them serious, as they dont seem to know what they want, always have a butch manly mate and wanting children the next second.
Gays make up 3% of the entire population, but we give them so much attention like they make up 50%. What this article is, is a perverted Pastor who got exposed, as the bible says whatever you do in the dark will be exposed.
Why do people think if you disagree with homosexuality, you are secretly gay. Thats as dumb as saying I hate broccoli, so im suppressing my secret desire for broccoli.
Me personally, am tired of all the sissy male behavior I see now...ie super flamboyant men, dressing in drag, or talking like a damn sissy in a feminine voice. I can deal with lesbians, but never take them serious, as they dont seem to know what they want, always have a butch manly mate and wanting children the next second.
Gays make up 3% of the entire population, but we give them so much attention like they make up 50%. What this article is, is a perverted Pastor who got exposed, as the bible says whatever you do in the dark will be exposed.
Maybe because no one is condemning people for eating broccoli. People who don't like broccoli simply don't eat it. They don't go around trying to stop others from eating it too (unless they're clinically insane).
But when someone is so obsessed with what gay people are doing in the bedroom, you have to wonder why it concerns then so much. It starts to seem like they're trying to convince themselves.
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