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Old 08-05-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It not "practicing for killing", its bloodlust killing. , and its an ugly thing to see.
It certainly is.

One would think humans are a tad more evolved than animals. Trophy hunters need to keep up with the rest of humanity.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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Yes, there is something wrong with it.

It is killing only for killing's sake.

Not much different than a murderer who kills for killing's sake.

Killing another human is justifiable if one is in danger of being killed by that person.

Killing animals is justifiable if they are being used for food.

Killing just to kill makes no sense and is wrong, wrong, wrong. It's sick and evil. It takes a life for no other reason than a person's ego.

As far as I'm concerned, people who delight in killing suffer from some sort of mental or emotional defect.
Killing animals is not the same as killing humans. You can't equate the two. Hunting for sport is fun for people who do it, and they should be free to do it as long as they don't violate property rights of other people.

As far as extinction, it's not an issue. Everything will be extinct. You don't conserve a species because it will be extinct. Extinction is natural. We can't keep the world in a static state. It's not possible. I think I read that 99% of every species of living thing that has ever populated the Earth is now extinct.

And you don't get to issue edicts at to when killing is acceptable. For big game hunters, killing is perfectly acceptable.

You can decide not to hunt if you don't want to. But hunters do want to hunt, and you are not in charge of deciding what is right for them.

Animals don't have rights, only humans do, so forget that argument as it is irrational.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Lions are being hunted to extinction.
Yeah, but they're not. In fact hunting them is their best hope.
Ironic, ain't it?

They tried banning lion hunting in Botswana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyQvm9d4tM
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:13 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Extinction is natural. We can't keep the world in a static state. It's not possible. I think I read that 99% of every species of living thing that has ever populated the Earth is now extinct.
There was nothing 'natural' about the extinction of the Dodo bird.

Hunting a species to extinction is not a 'natural' extinction.

'Natural' would be something catastrophic, such as climate change (which has happened several times before humans even had a prayer of affecting weather) or an asteroid hitting the earth.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:27 PM
 
Location: United States
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Who's to say unnecessary?

If you saw one in your baby's crib, what would you do?

Their bites can cause pain for up to ten days, and the symptoms of a bite could be worse if a person is allergic to the venom.
So you have only killed a spider, or other insects if they were in your baby's crib?

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Yeah, but they're not. In fact hunting them is their best hope.
Ironic, ain't it?

They tried banning lion hunting in Botswana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyQvm9d4tM
The point the speaker made about uninformed people demanding action is very relevant to this discussion. I hope some of the people posting here take the time to watch the video.

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Old 08-05-2015, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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There was nothing 'natural' about the extinction of the Dodo bird.

Hunting a species to extinction is not a 'natural' extinction.

'Natural' would be something catastrophic, such as climate change (which has happened several times before humans even had a prayer of affecting weather) or an asteroid hitting the earth.


If only they had "Dodos Unlimited" back then.

Look up what hunters have done for ducks.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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There was nothing 'natural' about the extinction of the Dodo bird.

Hunting a species to extinction is not a 'natural' extinction.

'Natural' would be something catastrophic, such as climate change (which has happened several times before humans even had a prayer of affecting weather) or an asteroid hitting the earth.
Except that Man is natural, and everything Man does is natural, from staring at the Moon, to landing on the Moon, and everything in between.

I do not accept the artificial "division" that some utilize to play semantic games with arguments about the physical world.

EVERYTHING IS NATURAL, including Man and including everything Man does.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Except that Man is natural, and everything Man does is natural, from staring at the Moon, to landing on the Moon, and everything in between.

I do not accept the artificial "division" that some utilize to play semantic games with arguments about the physical world.

EVERYTHING IS NATURAL, including Man and including everything Man does.
Please stop trying to pass off your misguided and poorly-formulated opinions as fact. You don't get to decide what is and is not natural.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Yeah, but they're not. In fact hunting them is their best hope.
Ironic, ain't it?

They tried banning lion hunting in Botswana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyQvm9d4tM
No irony here. Not when you show only one side of a story. I think people should read more than one and decide for themselves. Here are a few different points of few from both sides.

http://lionalert.org/page/trophy-hunting

Cecil the Lion: Do Paid Hunting Permits Help Save Wildlife?

5 Reasons Trophy Hunting is not Conservation | One Green Planet
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Old 08-05-2015, 03:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Except that Man is natural, and everything Man does is natural, from staring at the Moon, to landing on the Moon, and everything in between.

I do not accept the artificial "division" that some utilize to play semantic games with arguments about the physical world.

EVERYTHING IS NATURAL, including Man and including everything Man does.
Really.

How far do you take that idea?

Is it natural for an adult to have sex with a five-year-old child? This would be just a game of semantics?



Plastic is not natural, nor is the manufacture of plastic.



There are no laptop bushes or cell phone plants.

These things are made from mostly natural materials but the instant Man makes something of natural materials, that 'something' is not natural.


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