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Old 08-30-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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So just for clarification, if a clerk in some other county decided to refuse issuing licenses to straight couples for reason xyz, the people supporting this women in KY would be supportive of that clerk too? Principles are principles, right?
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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So just for clarification, if a clerk in some other county decided to refuse issuing licenses to straight couples for reason xyz, the people supporting this women in KY would be supportive of that clerk too? Principles are principles, right?
I think for them the definition of XYZ, and why, would matter very much. When marriages to 13 year-olds was still legal in Kentucky, quite a few clerks refused to issue those licenses, including my own county. This is not without precedence.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Not taking sides but.......

1. What makes her belief less valid than theirs?
2. They can go to another clerk and get their license.

This seems like the wedding cake case, media needs a story and pumps out the headlines.
Well, as per Brown v. Board of Education, in matters of service provided by the government, "Separate is inherently unequal …"

There is no legal reason why a GLBT couple should have to travel to a neighboring jurisdiction to obtain government services … Equal protection under the law is a bedrock principle of our liberal democracy …

What if some county clerk still didn't approve of interracial couples becoming married … ??? The SCOTUS in Loving v. Virginia (1967) decided the case, and no county clerk has legal authority to act otherwise …

GLBT persons are entitled to equal treatment under the law … The case is settled … Get over it ...
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I think for them the definition of XYZ, and why, would matter very much. When marriages to 13 year-olds was still legal in Kentucky, quite a few clerks refused to issue those licenses, including my own county. This is not without precedence.
If the SCOTUS had affirmed the legality of 13 year olds becoming married, then it would be settled law everywhere in the USA ...
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Patrolling The Wasteland
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There clearly needs to be a national dialogue on the actual definition and extent of "freedom."

The concept of liberty is paraded as the apex of American political culture, yet there is this constant tug-of-war regarding what group is more entitled to freedom than another.

In what universe can one logically recast the imposition of a select religious morality onto society as being an expression of religious liberty?

This country is turning into a circus.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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There clearly needs to be a national dialogue on the actual definition and extent of "freedom."

The concept of liberty is paraded as the apex of American political culture, yet there is this constant tug-of-war regarding what group is more entitled to freedom than another.

In what universe can one logically recast the imposition of a select religious morality onto society as being an expression of religious liberty?

This country is turning into a circus.
The country has always been a circus. Its just that until the last 20 or 30 years or so you never would have heard about this.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:03 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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If the SCOTUS had affirmed the legality of 13 year olds becoming married, then it would be settled law everywhere in the USA ...
It was the state law. No one is getting married in Rowan County right now, by the way. It is not a violation of the Supreme Court ruling at this point, they don't specify who must do marriages in general for a state. It is state law she breaking by not performing any marriages.
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Last edited by Oldhag1; 08-30-2015 at 11:13 AM.. Reason: Clarification
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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Time for her to pack up and find another job that does not conflict with her beliefs.
filling the slurpee machine.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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But if the people of the county feel that they should be on the hook for her legal fees for repeatedly refusing to follow the courts judgments let them pay for it. I'm sure there are no more pressing issues that the county budget could go toward paying for.
This. The county will spend a lot of money on this and lose a lot of money to the cause.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:33 AM
 
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The whole imposition of gay marriage on the masses was a joke, insult and travesty. And thus every attempt on subversion must be appreciated if not celebrated by everyone.
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