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Old 07-24-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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Did you not read what he said? He said he doesn't agree with making fun of disabled people or the weak but thinks we should have the freedom to say what we please. I like how you decry bullying in one sentence and then hint around that Americans are wusses in the next.
I read what he said, especially the part where he contradicted himself completely. You cannot agree to unlimited freedom of speech and abhor making fun of disabled or weak people. Pick one.....

You must be wusses if you consider "implying you're wusses" as bullying.
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Old 07-24-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Canadians have no freedom of speech, so they're reaping what they've sown. I should be upset?

Get a clue, American liberals, why we (the other half) fight so hard to protect our rights.
Get a clue yourself, to wit:

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.or...index-2015.pdf

Didn't even make it into the top ten on that one.

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...QQwaAqpR8P8HAQ

Canada scored 99 to the U.S.'s 90 on that one.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Well my goodness Canada scored 6th position compared to 11th for the U.S.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Once again Canada placed higher at 18th out of 180 countries compared to the U.S. 41st position.

You better fight a lot harder as your freedoms aren't all that great by comparison.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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No argument from me.

How about the right for adults to abuse/bully/taunt kids in the street, are you cool with that?
Nope. That would be ABUSE and not SPEECH.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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I read what he said, especially the part where he contradicted himself completely. You cannot agree to unlimited freedom of speech and abhor making fun of disabled or weak people. Pick one.....

You must be wusses if you consider "implying you're wusses" as bullying.
I don't need to pick one!

Its a very simple concept. I don't need to agree with everything everyone says all the time in order to agree with the concept of free speech. I honestly don't get what it is so difficult to understand here.

So, its okay for you to name call but no one else? More hypocrisy.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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Get a clue yourself, to wit:
It's fun to whip out a ranking, but the ranking is irrelevant unless there's an explanation of how it was derived. For example, I looked at the Cato PDF. There's long discussion of "things they looked at," but then at the end they just slap a number on each country with no explanation of how that number was derived. So, for example, "personal freedom" comprises 50 different measures but they just tell you the end result.

Also, even if you want to use that as gospel, it should be noted that most of those types of ranking agree that under the 8 years of Obama the US has dropped in any freedom ranking.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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It's fun to whip out a ranking, but the ranking is irrelevant unless there's an explanation of how it was derived. For example, I looked at the Cato PDF. There's long discussion of "things they looked at," but then at the end they just slap a number on each country with no explanation of how that number was derived. So, for example, "personal freedom" comprises 50 different measures but they just tell you the end result.

Also, even if you want to use that as gospel, it should be noted that most of those types of ranking agree that under the 8 years of Obama the US has dropped in any freedom ranking.
Yeah; whipped out a ranking er,....actually three rankings and those rankings were derived by independent orgs. nothing like the "Canada has no freedom of speech" spouted by some on here, eh?

I understand why you wouldn't agree with the rankings......you're an American.

Not biting on the partisan political silliness regarding Obama.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:14 PM
 
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Yeah; whipped out a ranking er,....actually three rankings and those rankings were derived by independent orgs. nothing like the "Canada has no freedom of speech" spouted by some on here, eh?

I understand why you wouldn't agree with the rankings......you're an American.

Not biting on the partisan political silliness regarding Obama.
I think it's marvelous that you read what I wrote and your comeback is "wait, I have three rankings with the same problem, so now it's solved!!" Is that a Canadian thing? Or just a liberal thing, since you don't even like what your own rankings say about Obama?
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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I don't need to pick one!

Its a very simple concept. I don't need to agree with everything everyone says all the time in order to agree with the concept of free speech. I honestly don't get what it is so difficult to understand here.

So, its okay for you to name call but no one else? More hypocrisy.
Here let me help you out a bit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ech_exceptions

"Along with fighting words, speech might be unprotected if it either intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly inflicts severe emotional distress."[31]

Free Speech Isn't Free - The Atlantic

Not so simple is it? Your speech is limited in any number of ways other than simply those described as "hate speech", "inciting to cause harm" or "fighting words".

And where did anyone call me a name that I objected to? Would that not be a requirement of the description of being a hypocrite?

Finally I point out this decision causing such superior mindedness on the part of Americans is one taken by an arbitration panel of one province in Canada. Sort of like the Mississippi law still on the books that stipulates:

"Using profanity in front of two or more persons in a public place might land you in the county jail for up to 30 days. Or you could pay a hefty fine to the state swear jar, no more than $100.

While this law appears to be a direct assault on the First Amendment, it's thought to have been conceived in order to protect the public." My goodness, imagine that!
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:59 PM
 
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Default Only---

This would ONLY happen in Canada!!!
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Old 07-24-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Finally I point out this decision causing such superior mindedness on the part of Americans is one taken by an arbitration panel of one province in Canada. Sort of like the Mississippi law still on the books that stipulates
It's true, guys, Quebec is like the Mississippi of Canada.
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