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Old 11-03-2017, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Unions should be the default -- i.e., legally mandated in any business with more than some basic number of employees.

 
Old 11-03-2017, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Unions should be the default -- i.e., legally mandated in any business with more than some basic number of employees.
Not in this country, thank you.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 06:59 AM
 
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Yes, in this country. There is no country in which the well-being of workers should simply be abandoned into the hands of those who are outright antagonistic to their interests.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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Yes, in this country. There is no country in which the well-being of workers should simply be abandoned into the hands of those who are outright antagonistic to their interests.


Why would every worker in the country need a union? lol Unions aren't free by the way.


This isn't the 1930's. lol
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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Yeah, they don't. They are not doing dangerous work, unless you call getting a papercut hazardous.

I don't blame him.
What's paper? The health risk is carpal tunnel syndrome.

You'll notice that the only surviving unions are in sectors that can't get pushed offshore or moved south to an anti-union state. Public sector. Truck drivers. UPS/Fedex/USPS. Hospital workers. Airline pilots. Construction/trade workers.

In this case, it was a billionaire making a political statement about unions. If it had been some entrepreneur doing a web/internet enterprise, they wouldn't have shut the doors out of spite.

The Republican party and the rich people who back them have done a great job creating knee-jerk anti-union sentiment among people who are seeing their jobs vaporize offshore.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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The article says he shut down because the business failed, having lost money every year since 2009. That's pretty bad.

The union thing had nothing to do with it. That was only 27 workers who were going to join the Writer's Guild of America. Not a big deal.

Another case of a billionaire who's not really good at business. He'll get tax writeoffs, so he'll come out of this just fine.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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It is easy to see what unions can do for employees.......take a trip to Detroit and look around. Not only did they cause thousands and thousands of people to lose their jobs but they also completely destroyed a city.

Unions would be great if they would operate properly. What they typically do is stuff the pockets of their administration and incite poor work moral by constantly telling the members the company they work for is out to screw them and doesn't care about them. The unions also protect the bad employees through grievances resulting in the company not being able to fire/get rid of bad employees.

If you are a business owner and the employees join a union, the best thing you can do is shut the business down long enough to reorganize and then start it back up again with new employees.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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Why would every worker in the country need a union? lol Unions aren't free by the way. This isn't the 1930's. lol
Check your calendar. It's not the 1500's either. Trusting that Rich Uncle Pennybags will take good care of you is simply failing to notice that it is a wolf who is wearing that simply divine sheepskin jacket. There is NO market anywhere that functions efficiently with all of the power vested in just one side of it. Even those who failed Econ 101 must recognize that much.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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What's paper? The health risk is carpal tunnel syndrome.
Simple surgery. Very effective. But it can take a long time for the nerves to grow back if you try to be macho-manly-dude and let things go too long.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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Check your calendar. It's not the 1500's either. Trusting that Rich Uncle Pennybags will take good care of you is simply failing to notice that it is a wolf who is wearing that simply divine sheepskin jacket. There is NO market anywhere that functions efficiently with all of the power vested in just one side of it. Even those who failed Econ 101 must recognize that much.

That's when the power of competition comes into play.


I work in the banking industry. When one company has a reputation of having better pay/benefits/management, word gets around. Pretty soon, a lot of companies start losing talent to the better one. As a result, the other banks improve their pay/benefits/management.


There are situations where there is no competition. There are a lot of small towns with only one factory or large employer. Those non-union factories can take advantage of the fact that those people don't want to leave that small town. But if they become unionized as a result, the factory can just choose to move somewhere else. Then it becomes a ghost town. It happens. People should be willing to move for better opportunities.
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