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Old 08-26-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: on the wind
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Okay, here comes the irritating animal lover. I'm not attacking you, TinaTwo. You obviously have concern for these dogs. But just the fact that the dog might have to sit in the car for two hours ****** me off. I'm tired of living creatures being "utilized" for our benefit without necessarily seeing to their innate needs.

Even if the temperature was fine and the dog wasn't suffering any physical trauma, the fact that they have to sit there in the car waiting for "their" human to show back up, they're just on edge the whole time. Have you ever seen a dog waiting in a car for their owner to come out of a store? They're just there. Staring. Waiting. Sometimes anxious. They don't know you're just picking up a loaf of bread. In the best situation, they're bored. And two hours is a looong time to just sit there. Try doing it sometime. Humans don't have to sit for two hours without any stimulation, smart phones and all. Anyway...

Sorry. Rant over.
Maybe some dogs might. It will be very individual. All the dogs I have had and all the dogs I've known love the car and will sit watching, listening, sniffing what's going on around them pretty happily. A constant stream of something new. Or, they took a nap; just like they do at home when the humans are away, just like they do when they are not busy with something else. That dog you say you see "staring and waiting"? I suspect instead that they are observing the flow of sensory information being brought to them.

Obviously, someone who owns an anxious dog shouldn't leave them like that. That dog is probably just as anxious left anywhere, not just in a car. I'm sure clueless owners don't address it. Most who pay any attention to their own anxious dog do. A police dog that can't handle being in a car for some period of time by itself won't end up in this situation...it would be eliminated from the rigorous evaluation and training. The dog knows why it is in the car, the car is a "den", it knows when it's "working", what to expect from the handler and how to deal with what is going on around the car.

As for your points about animals being tools or being utilized by humans, not even going to go there. Go ahead and be "sick" of it if you prefer.

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Old 08-26-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Very sad indeed. This happens far to often. I don’t think this officer should be assigned another animal.

I agree. Plus, the officer should pay for damaged/ruined equipment and supplies, a deceased K-9 being part of that, when the reason is negligence.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I agree. Plus, the officer should pay for damaged/ruined equipment and supplies, a deceased K-9 being part of that, when the reason is negligence.
He should face the same repercussions of a non police officer doing the same thing in addition to the costs of replacing the dog. Animal cruelty charges at the very least.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:19 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I think I misunderstood your first post, I apologize.
No problem at all.
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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Many years ago, we used to have a dog named Cindy. This was about the time when all us kids had flown the nest, and so it was just my mom and dad, and Cindy, the dog.


One day, my dad was cleaning out and washing the car on a nice warm day. Washed, vacuumed, etc. While my dad was in the garage grabbing rags or whatever, Cindy had jumped into the car, and my dad didn't know it. When he was done, he shut all the doors.


Cindy died.


Maybe that's what happened here?
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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Many years ago, we used to have a dog named Cindy. This was about the time when all us kids had flown the nest, and so it was just my mom and dad, and Cindy, the dog.


One day, my dad was cleaning out and washing the car on a nice warm day. Washed, vacuumed, etc. While my dad was in the garage grabbing rags or whatever, Cindy had jumped into the car, and my dad didn't know it. When he was done, he shut all the doors.


Cindy died.


Maybe that's what happened here?
Oh, your poor dad!
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Old Yesterday, 07:06 AM
 
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Oh, your poor dad!

He was devastated.
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Old Yesterday, 11:05 AM
 
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He was devastated.
One of our cats managed to lock himself in my fiancé’s work van last year. Thank God we found him on time. He was covered with sweat, we had to put cold wet towels on him but he was fine.
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Old Today, 07:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I don’t think these dogs are checked up on enough. This continues to happen even with all these safeguards supposedly in effect. You can’t trust those devices. The officer needs to check on his dog then hourly or have another officer check the vehicle to see that it’s still operational with AC. I remember a case a few summers ago the officer was in an all day training and came out and the dog was dead from heatstroke. I think the dogs should be placed in their kennel then back at the department if it’s long periods of time the Officer will be gone . Then he can go pick up his partner when he’s finished with whatever it was that prevented him from being in his vehicle for hours on end.
I remember that death too. The other officers came out regularly to check their dogs but this officer didn't.

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Well I’m not going to speculate and then offer an opinion based on that. I have no idea where he was or why he had the dog. If we find out, I’ll offer an opinion on whether or not I think he should have had the dog with him.
The officer was probably home. My biggest gripe is that some of these dogs live in that patrol car for whatever reason. They do not go into the officers house which is wrong IMO. It sounds like this dog could be one that was one living in the car. I hope I'm wrong; that it was the officer running errands on the ride home. Unfortunately, we may never hear the real story.

Thankfully, according to Officer Down Fallen K9s; I'm not seeing other heat related deaths within the last few weeks. The last one, K9 Verro is a sad one. There are usually a few hot car deaths on that page.


K9 Rocco - Vernal Police Department, Utah - August 14, 2019 - K9 Rocco had been let out of the vehicle for a break when he ran across the road and was struck by an oncoming vehicle.

K9 Rambo - Greensboro Police Department, North Carolina - August 16, 2019 - He was struck by a vehicle that was unrelated to the robbery.

K9 Windy - Riverside County Sheriff's Department, California - July 25, 2019 - She ingested Valley Fever fungal spores during a track and became ill. Her condition worsened and she was medically retired from the department. She passed away two weeks later as a result of the illness on July 25th, 2019.

K9 Verro - Paulding County Sheriff's Office, Georgia - July 19, 2019 - K9 Verro was shot and killed after biting a sheriff's deputy in the area of Brooks Road and Trotters Way in Dallas, Georgia.

**Edit This is the page I was looking for 2019 deaths of officers. 2 others from heat exhaustion

K9 Biggie - Florida Department of Corrections, FL - April 30, 2019 - Heat exhaustion
K9 Eli - Gwinnett County Police Department, Georgia - May 23, 2019 - Heat exhaustion

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