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However, without regular sex, many men will spend money on consumer goods in order to attract mates. Gym membership may increase, cosmetic surgery procedures will increase, technology gadgets will increase because women judge men on their smartphone brands. Maybe even luxury sports car brand purchases. Conspicuous consumption is one route to demonstrating sexual worthiness.
That's Blue Pill (conventional) thinking. Corporate interested brainwashed the men into thinking that way, so they spend money on women and keep their corporate high.
The Red Pill teaches that women aren't sexually attracted to material wealth, but to high testosterone and dominant traits. The former can be attained for $30 a month at the gym, and maybe some inexpensive supplements; learning the latter online is free or nearly so. Well, medical testosterone enhancement treatments can cost up to $1000, but it's peanuts compared to what most women collect in a divorce. Red Pilled men don't produce many corporate profits. Not to mention, there are MGTOW's, who eschew all but the most superficial relationships with women, and therefore don't spend money on them at all.
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The Red Pill teaches that women aren't sexually attracted to material wealth, but to high testosterone and dominant traits.
No. Many women are indeed attracted to material wealth.
Give visit Isan and see how many Thai women are married to shriveled white foreigners twice their age who offer nothing more than a steady pension check that is 3x higher than avg local income. Their man isn't high testosterone (any more), isn't dominant over anyone, but they have the nicest scooter and the only house in town with AC units in every window.
No. Many women are indeed attracted to material wealth.
Give visit Isan and see how many Thai women are married to shriveled white foreigners twice their age who offer nothing more than a steady pension check that is 3x higher than avg local income. Their man isn't high testosterone (any more), isn't dominant over anyone, but they have the nicest scooter and the only house in town with AC units in every window.
That's not attraction; at least not the genuine, lustful attraction, but rather a utilitarian attraction. That's a woman putting up with a man she's NOT attracted to, for the sake of having a stable life. If you look closely at marriages like that, you can see that she doesn't have much respect for him. Ever wonder why their pool boy is so smiley all the time, despite working a low-paid job. And if his wealth were to vanish, so would she.
There is a glut of man-children, pajama boys, obese autistic neckbeards like never before. Of course there is going to be less sex and fewer relationships. These guys think it is women being picky but do they not see what they are. They think if it was thirty years ago they could get women, not true. Nerds back then were much more palatable compared to what is lurking in dark basements now. Some of these shut-in incels would even be housed in asylums in past generations, NOT getting dates with the girl next door. Nerds in the past didn't shoot schools up or run down sidewalks with vans either whether they ever landed a girl or not.
However, without regular sex, many men will spend money on consumer goods in order to attract mates. Gym membership may increase, cosmetic surgery procedures will increase, technology gadgets will increase because women judge men on their smartphone brands. Maybe even luxury sports car brand purchases. Conspicious consumption is one route to demonstrating sexual worthiness.
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That's Blue Pill (conventional) thinking. Corporate interested brainwashed the men into thinking that way, so they spend money on women and keep their corporate high.
The Red Pill teaches that women aren't sexually attracted to material wealth, but to high testosterone and dominant traits. The former can be attained for $30 a month at the gym, and maybe some inexpensive supplements; learning the latter online is free or nearly so. Well, medical testosterone enhancement treatments can cost up to $1000, but it's peanuts compared to what most women collect in a divorce. Red Pilled men don't produce many corporate profits. Not to mention, there are MGTOW's, who eschew all but the most superficial relationships with women, and therefore don't spend money on them at all.
I used the phrase many men in my previous post because the majority of men are conventional. The whole red pill, black pill, MGTOW, MRA, and possibly PUA designations (some of which overlap) only categorize a fairly small portion of men overall in Western nations. I'd say no more than 15-25% of men in the United States for instance fit a non-conventional designation classified above.
Most men are working W2 jobs and are corporation dependent. Most men are not actively pursuing new notches. They typically develop longer term relationships through their social circles, work, high school, college. If none of those are feasible, often due to childhood or adulthood relocations, then they'll turn to a bar or an app. Apps are a failure for most men in terms of producing anything lasting. Lots of men are focused on drinking beer, watching sports, maybe golfing, hunting, or fishing, and keeping a surburban lifestyle with an overweight wife and 2 kids.
I used the phrase many men in my previous post because the majority of men are conventional. The whole red pill, black pill, MGTOW, MRA, and possibly PUA designations (some of which overlap) only categorize a fairly small portion of men overall in Western nations. I'd say no more than 15-25% of men in the United States for instance fit a non-conventional designation classified above.
Most men are working W2 jobs and are corporation dependent. Most men are not actively pursuing new notches. They typically develop longer term relationships through their social circles, work, high school, college. If none of those are feasible, often due to childhood or adulthood relocations, then they'll turn to a bar or an app. Apps are a failure for most men in terms of producing anything lasting. Lots of men are focused on drinking beer, watching sports, maybe golfing, hunting, or fishing, and keeping a surburban lifestyle with an overweight wife and 2 kids.
Work, home, family, friends, hobbies- nothing wrong with that.
There is a glut of man-children, pajama boys, obese autistic neckbeards like never before. Of course there is going to be less sex and fewer relationships. These guys think it is women being picky but do they not see what they are. They think if it was thirty years ago they could get women, not true. Nerds back then were much more palatable compared to what is lurking in dark basements now. Some of these shut-in incels would even be housed in asylums in past generations, NOT getting dates with the girl next door. Nerds in the past didn't shoot schools up or run down sidewalks with vans either whether they ever landed a girl or not.
If you're going to pick on men for being sexually unattractive, surely you'll acknowledge that the record rates of obesity among young women have the same effect?
Most men are working W2 jobs and are corporation dependent. Most men are not actively pursuing new notches. They typically develop longer term relationships through their social circles, work, high school, college. If none of those are feasible, often due to childhood or adulthood relocations, then they'll turn to a bar or an app. Apps are a failure for most men in terms of producing anything lasting. Lots of men are focused on drinking beer, watching sports, maybe golfing, hunting, or fishing, and keeping a surburban lifestyle with an overweight wife and 2 kids.
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Work, home, family, friends, hobbies- nothing wrong with that.
The analysis in the second quote is lacks depth. On the surface, it seems okay.
The biggest point is that the conventional men I describe above are actually diminishing. In all age groups, romantic relationships are taking on shorter durations, which has economic and social implications. With the increase in grey divorce, there are more later in life singles. Additionally, the Millennials (early 1980s through mid 1990s births) are failing to achieve relationships of longer durations (2-5 years), if not the illusion of permanance via marriage. The United States is dependent upon the consumer as its economic engine and the suburban lifestyle/consumption model falls apart when a larger part of the population isn't getting married and having families and isn't staying married either.
Marriage used to be a better deal for men than it is now. Prior to the sexual revolution and liberalization of divorce law, you would get a more faithful wife who would be more likely to stay in reasonably shape after childbirth, who was interested in your needs and was less likely to have an affair and divorce you. In exchange for this, you would get greater stability and for the majority of men, you would get more sexual access.
Now, marriage is fraught with numerous risks for men.
The first risk is sexual infidelity. Due to a surplus of single men in most major metropolitan areas until one 40s and anti-family cultural orientation, it is easily for any woman in a longer term non-married exclusive relationship or a marriage to deviate from the monogamous model. Women in relationships who have a desire to cheat can more easily access their sexual options with mating apps and social media, but even if an attached woman ventures out into the real world, she'll still be approached by hoardes of men, regardless of her relationships. As a short, semi-related digression, unattached women have a different problem, as they are often so overwhelmed by their options, they develop apathy, analysis paralysis, and become supremely fussy, writing off men for the smallest reasons, many times in the first approach or the first date. Women have more sexual options now than ever, and complete ease in doing so.
The second risk is the greater obesity crisis. There's a good chance that as a married man, your wife will gain a lot of weight. Wives don't have as much incentive to stay reasonably fit, and the culture at large carries more weight than it should. It is true that men are getting heavier than they should be, and men absolutely deserve blame for this. However, obesity is plaguing women more than it is plaguing men, and men are more focused on their partner's looks than women are, though women aren't lacking for this. A man, over a 10+ year period, will be dissatisfied with a wife that balloons up from a normal BMI during the pre-marriage dating period to an overweight married woman, often with kids.
The third risk is children. The incentives to have children are not that great. Children cost a lot of money and restrict freedom. Additional, the education system is changing for the worse. K-12 schools are essentially liberal indoctrination camps. Higher education is an even more costly liberal indoctrination camp, and some parents pay for at least a portion of college education for their children. There are other social conditions that could come up that could strain a marriage.
The fourth risk is divorce. There is no incentive for a woman to stay in a marriage where she feels even the slightest bit of dissatisfaction. If she gets cheated on, she files for divorce, gets more time with the kids than the father, and gets various child support/alimony payments. If she decides to explore her sexual options, either through an affair, or divorcing without an affair so that she can enjoy more sexual variety, she will collect various payments and get more time with the kids than the father. Either way, it is a wealth transfer from men to women. It also impacts the psyche of the children, who will have limited to no interaction with their fathers. Additionally, these children will grow to resent both their parents to varying degrees. Single parent households produce worse results for these children when they become adults.
So yes, marriage and family are often a bad deal for the individual male. But what about a different scenario? Let's think about what has really manifested itself in the Millennial dating market.
Millennials were the first large generation (the smaller Generation X dealt with the changes first) where there was rampant divorce amongst their parents and the negative consequences of single parenting really emerging. A lot of Millennial men were not raised with masculine infliuences and even if they did have an involved father, there's not too much an involved father could have done to prepare them for the changing mores of the world, because he didn't really cope with them in his formative years to the extent that a Millennial man would have to. Millennial women have had it better than Millennial men, as they've gotten to have more sexual options and more career options than either their mothers or grandmothers, yet many Millennial women have frittered away their great advantages by becoming too career oriented, too fussy with long term mating, gaining weight, and developing toxic SJW attitudes that have turned off men. Both sides have been ill prepared for long term mating.
A lack of longer term mating hurts many segments of the consumer economy such as real estate related purchases but can be good for other parts of the economy, such as birth control methods, gym memberships (either to stay in shape for constantly attracting a new partner or to get in shape after a long relationship ends to find a new partner) and cosmetic surgeries.
If you're going to pick on men for being sexually unattractive, surely you'll acknowledge that the record rates of obesity among young women have the same effect?
It is a bad mating environment for both sexes. I would make the argument that the sexually unattractive male is a reaction to the sexually unattractive woman.
If you're going to pick on men for being sexually unattractive, surely you'll acknowledge that the record rates of obesity among young women have the same effect?
I don’t think she’s picking on them, just pointing out the absurdity of them complaining that there’s something wrong with the women in society because they can’t get women. The overweight obese women are not out there starting websites complaining how life is unfair because they can’t date “Chad”. Most women date within their league, which men used to do as well. Seems only in recent times that every man thinks they’re entitled to a hot cheerleader no matter what they look like or even have in common with her.
I actually think the biggest reason that people have a harder time meeting a mate today is the increased isolation from community. People used to meet their mate through their social circles through their friends through their neighbors, at church etc. now people move to places where they don’t know anyone and they don’t have establish social circles and they don’t have a community of people introducing them to other people. The modern methods we have to meet people mainly via the computer, just don’t work neither for men or for women. I did online dating on and off for probably 10 to 15 years I never had great success with it. And then my best friend’s brother introduced me to one of his friends who is now my fiancé. It was natural, and it was easy. I think that is what’s missing in today’s culture.
Red pill or no, I think most men want a long-term relationship just as most women do. It is never been harder to find for either I think, and I believe that’s the main reason.
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And if his wealth were to vanish, so would she.
