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Old 08-04-2020, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Very good, covered alot of bases.
The reports coming in on convalescent plasma are also highly encouraging.
I'm trying to find if there's any news re: monoclonal antibodies...

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...not-a-vaccine/
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:47 PM
 
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The USA gets bashed for the fact that they make up 5% of the worlds population yet account for 25% of COVID deaths. But according to the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, 182,833 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK which is 23k more deaths than America has reported. I guess Europe is in no better shape than America. OTOH, China makes up 18% of the worlds population yet account for less than 1% of COVID deaths... we should all praise China for their coronavirus response!
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Old 08-04-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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The USA gets bashed for the fact that they make up 5% of the worlds population yet account for 25% of COVID deaths. But according to the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, 182,833 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK which is 23k more deaths than America has reported. I guess Europe is in no better shape than America. OTOH, China makes up 18% of the worlds population yet account for less than 1% of COVID deaths... we should all praise China for their coronavirus response!
Well the EEA has over 500 million people so it still has a lower per capita death rate than the US.

But the total number of deaths is certainly not the reason why the USA "gets bashed", although some people really don’t get "per capita" at all. I would say there are three reasons why the US gets discussed a lot:

1) Europe, NYC and parts of the West Coast were hit hard and early. Then the number of new cases and deaths slowed down to a trickle in most developed countries, but not in many US states (esp. south and southwest). In the past few weeks the EEA has recorded around 100 deaths/day while the US is above 1000/day. That comparison is bound to change as outbreaks happen again in Europe but for now the question Europeans are asking is "what did you botch that we didn’t?"

2) there is no cohesion whatsoever, whether at the political or social levels, and perhaps as a result the country is failing to control the virus. AFAIK the US is the only developed country where the political climate is so toxic that everything about the pandemic has been hampered by constant bickering and personal attacks. From the outside it looks like quite the chaos, and leaders who should at least try to unite the country sometimes seem to have no intention in doing so.

3) many people are still fixated on confirmed cases because it’s an easy metric and they don’t quite understand how underreported the cases were early on. Places like the UK, Spain, Italy and France certainly have had way over 1,000,000 cases each, but the worst of the epidemic hit when tests were difficult to come by. So the US number of almost 5M confirmed cases looks outrageous in comparison.
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Old 08-04-2020, 03:32 PM
 
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Since this is coming from the New England Journal of Medicine, I'm posting it in this thread --

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...4920?query=TOC
"Nonetheless, we would argue that primary schools are essential — more like grocery stores, doctors’ offices, and food manufacturers than like retail establishments, movie theaters, and bars. Like all essential workers, teachers and other school personnel deserve substantial protections, as well as hazard pay. Remote working accommodations should be made if possible for staff members who are over 60 or have underlying health conditions.5,18 Adults who work in school buildings (or drive school buses) should be provided with PPE, and both students and staff should participate in routine pooled testing."

100% Spot-on!

I wish my community would shutter non-essential businesses and drive down transmission rates so the schools could open. But that's not the way we do things here in America.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Apparently they've done a really good job of protecting the most vulnerable, plus excellent testing, and have a generally young, healthy population.

Quite an outlier, for sure.
I’d guess they also know to wear PPE around elderly after experience with SARS. We shut down nursing homes to visitors but had extremely inconsistent PPE use by workers.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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More promise around T cell cross-reactive immunity:

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...e.abd3871.full
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Old 08-05-2020, 03:31 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Back to science:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671

vaccination of monkeys with the moderna vaccine provided robust protection against infection. One step closer...
Developing a vaccine is half the battle, there will be plenty of naysayers refusing to take it as they’ll claim it was “rushed” and they don’t want to be the “guinea pig.”
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Old 08-05-2020, 06:35 AM
 
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Death rates in Sweden have dropped to almost 0 and in many US states they are increasing. The final numbers on death rates are not final. For example Mississippi has gone up from 559 to 572 in the past few days.

Federal coronavirus "red zone" of severe outbreaks expands to 21 total states
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ing-21-states/

And Sweden's GNP actually grew in the 1st quarter.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coro...t-quarter.html

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-7-1029415101#
The 1st quarter was before most of the Coronavirus impact. Look at the 2nd quarter. Sweden's GDP dropped 8.6%. It's better than the other European countries that locked down late, but it's worse than Asian countries that locked down earlier.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/swed...in-europe.html

Vietnam GDP growth was 0.5%, while South Korea declined 3.3%. The Asian countries locked down earlier and were able to get the virus under control.

Korea - S. Korea ranks 2nd in GDP growth rate after China: OECD
Vietnam - https://blogs.worldbank.org/eastasia...-economic-trap

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Old 08-05-2020, 07:25 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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More promise around T cell cross-reactive immunity:

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...e.abd3871.full
That is probably the best study yet !

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...we mapped 142 T cell epitopes across the SARS-CoV-2 genome to facilitate precise interrogation of the SARS-CoV-2-specific CD4+ T cell repertoire. We demonstrate a range of pre-existing memory CD4+ T cells that are cross-reactive, with comparable affinity to SARS-CoV-2 and the common cold coronaviruses HCoV-OC43, HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, or HCoV-HKU1.
(emphasis mine)

Direct evidence !
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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Well the EEA has over 500 million people so it still has a lower per capita death rate than the US.

But the total number of deaths is certainly not the reason why the USA "gets bashed", although some people really don’t get "per capita" at all. I would say there are three reasons why the US gets discussed a lot:

1) Europe, NYC and parts of the West Coast were hit hard and early. Then the number of new cases and deaths slowed down to a trickle in most developed countries, but not in many US states (esp. south and southwest). In the past few weeks the EEA has recorded around 100 deaths/day while the US is above 1000/day. That comparison is bound to change as outbreaks happen again in Europe but for now the question Europeans are asking is "what did you botch that we didn’t?"
As things stand the United Kingdom has both the highest mortality rate and case-fatality rate of any developed country in the world. So what did they do to botch things up so badly? Even at 1000 deaths a day it will take America 70 days to reach the same death rate as the UK. Let's not reward Europe now for the fact that so many people died there during the Spring.

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3) many people are still fixated on confirmed cases because it’s an easy metric and they don’t quite understand how underreported the cases were early on. Places like the UK, Spain, Italy and France certainly have had way over 1,000,000 cases each, but the worst of the epidemic hit when tests were difficult to come by. So the US number of almost 5M confirmed cases looks outrageous in comparison.
This to me is the biggest failure of the media's reporting during the pandemic. Focusing on total cases and comparing them to the number of cases in April is a waste of breath due to the massive differences in testing. They don't care though as it sensationalizes the pandemic, increases their ratings, and makes the administration look bad. It's a triple win for them.
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