05-22-2021, 06:13 PM
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Washington DC also has two baseball teams in the same metro area.
Washington DC has one MLB team and it's the Nationals. The Orioles do not in any way shape or form play in the DC metro area. Baltimore and Washington are two different distinct metro areas.
Also people bringing up Bay Area, Chicago, NY, and LA. Only really NY and LA does this work. The Bay Area may lose one of their teams and if the White Sox wasn't a historic team that's been in Chicago for now a century, they would have left Chicago a while ago as well. The Cubs easily overshadow the White Sox in Chicagoland. Unless DFW gets to 15 million plus soon, I don't see two teams in the metro area.
I do agree though about having a baseball stadium in an urban location. I do not like suburban ball parks. Most of the best parks are in urban and walkable locations. I wish they placed the stadium somewhere in the city of Dallas. That said, people outside of DFW do see the Rangers (and Cowboys for that matter) as Dallas teams.
05-22-2021, 06:18 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
DFW is not 4th.
I hear people on this forum state this all the time, and its not true.
The top 5 metro areas in the United States are:
1. NYC (22 million)
2. Los Angeles (18 million)
3. Chicago (9.8 million)
4. Washington DC (9.8 million)
5. San Francisco Bay Area (9.6 million)
All these cities are bigger than Dallas-Ft Worth. All of these metro areas have multiple teams in the same sport. All of these metro areas have a bigger GDP than Dallas- FT Worth.
Those 5 cities (with Miami, but I don't count South Florida) are the 5 cities in the United States that are considered to be World Class.
I've been to all of those cities, and its clear as daylight that there are more people/traffic in those cities than Dallas-Ft Worth.
If Dallas was really the 4th biggest metro then why does it not have multiple teams like the Bay Area (Giants, A's, Raiders, 49ers) and DC (Ravens, Redskins, National, Orioles)?
Boston felt bigger and more populated than Dallas, despite it having a pretty average skyline for a major city.
If you want to separate:
- Inland Empire from LA
- San Jose from San Francisco or,
- Baltimore from DC for metro rankings then you would have to do the same for Ft Worth and Dallas.
That is what I never understand about the DFW is the 4th biggest metro area crowd. They want to combine Dallas and Ft Worth into one metro area, but not do the same for other cities with a similar setup.
6. Boston (8.2 million)
7. DFW (8 million)
8. Philadelphia (7.2 million)
9. Houston (7.2 million)
10. Miami (South Florida) (6.8 million)
11. Atlanta (6.8 million)
BIG Drop-off to #12.
In sports rankings the above cities are what are considered to be the Major Market teams.
The Raiders now play in Las Vegas. Please don't tell people in Baltimore that The Ravens and Nationals are Washington DC teams. You're also looking at CSA's. CSA's are combined metro areas. Key word combined. MSA is what you should look at. MSA are one metro and DFW metro is indeed the fourth largest metro area in population in the nation.
Also no, you cannot separate Baltimore from DC because it's already separate from DC. Same with San Jose with SF. They have their own television and radio markets. Fort Worth does not have a separate TV and radio market from Dallas.
05-22-2021, 07:50 PM
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The Raiders now play in Las Vegas. Please don't tell people in Baltimore that The Ravens and Nationals are Washington DC teams. You're also looking at CSA's. CSA's are combined metro areas. Key word combined. MSA is what you should look at. MSA are one metro and DFW metro is indeed the fourth largest metro area in population in the nation.
It’s kind of borderline though when looking at the distinction between CSA’s and MSA’s in some of these cases. The official designation is based on economic/social ties, but just from spending time in some of those areas, the Bay Area to me feels like it should be considered one big MSA with San Jose included. San Jose to SF is a little further than Dallas to Fort Worth but not a lot further. Washington and Baltimore are actually closer together than San Jose/SF (very close to Dallas/FW distance), but to me feel more distinctive and their own individual metros that happen to be close together.
That’s just personal opinion though, but overall I don’t think DFW has any realistic shot at getting a 2nd team within the same major sports leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.).
Huge missed opportunity to not have the Rangers near downtown Dallas. I don’t think it matters as much for the NFL because of the frequency of the games, but MLB stadiums can have a huge positive impact on an area and that vibrancy can in turn have a big positive impact on attendance.
05-22-2021, 07:56 PM
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I wouldn’t put a MLB stadium in Fair Park. I would put it somewhere along the River in West Dallas with Dallas skyline in the background.
05-22-2021, 08:46 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
DFW is not 4th.
I hear people on this forum state this all the time, and its not true.
That is what I never understand about the DFW is the 4th biggest metro area crowd. They want to combine Dallas and Ft Worth into one metro area, but not do the same for other cities with a similar setup.
The government census literally list DFW as the 4th largest metroplex (this isn't a debatable statement, it's a 100% fact)
Your confusing MSA with CSA which are not the same thing. Just because you think it's unfair that Forth Worth should classify it as CSA isn't our problem, you can take it up the census
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05-22-2021, 09:00 PM
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It’s kind of borderline though when looking at the distinction between CSA’s and MSA’s in some of these cases. The official designation is based on economic/social ties, but just from spending time in some of those areas, the Bay Area to me feels like it should be considered one big MSA with San Jose included. San Jose to SF is a little further than Dallas to Fort Worth but not a lot further. Washington and Baltimore are actually closer together than San Jose/SF (very close to Dallas/FW distance), but to me feel more distinctive and their own individual metros that happen to be close together.
A big difference between Dallas-Fort Worth and Washington/Baltimore are the size of the respective city limits. DT Dallas to DT Fort Worth are 30 miles apart. The city limits themselves though are as close as 10 miles apart. It helps that Texas cities are mammoths physically. DC and Baltimore are small cities physically but pack much more in them. I can agree with you about the Bay Area. I think CSA works with LA and Inland Empire as well. Those are probably the only metro areas where CSA makes sense. DC and Baltimore gap has closed a bit but is decades to become what the California cities are let alone DFW.
Also agreed about the missed opportunity. FC Dallas also should build their stadium in walkable urban locations. If people feel baseball is more of an urban sport, soccer is probably the most urban sport of them all.
05-22-2021, 09:02 PM
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I wouldn’t put a MLB stadium in Fair Park. I would put it somewhere along the River in West Dallas with Dallas skyline in the background.
I would even be fine if the stadium was near the core of Fort Worth. Just put it in a place that has a little urbanity. Fort Worth and Dallas are the only cities in the metroplex that could offer that. There is zero about Arlington that is urban and that will never change. Not saying FW is significantly more urban but at least their core is.
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Which is the largest MSA in the United States?
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Yeah this is never going to happen. The reasons for most metros that have two teams is mostly historical, and each of those metros has an iconic franchise (Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, Cubs) that is not threatened in terms of attendance or popularity by the presence of a second weaker franchise. Most of those second franchises were added in the 60s as well when baseball was a much bigger deal than it is today.
05-24-2021, 08:47 AM
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Yeah this is never going to happen. The reasons for most metros that have two teams is mostly historical, and each of those metros has an iconic franchise (Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, Cubs) that is not threatened in terms of attendance or popularity by the presence of a second weaker franchise. Most of those second franchises were added in the 60s as well when baseball was a much bigger deal than it is today.
This. I wanted to say this myself, but was just too lazy to try to explain it as well as you did. You nailed it.
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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