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If you're creating a calorie surplus, you WILL gain weight, no matter what macro-nutrient those calories come from. That's a simple fact.
yes if you never excrete excess nutrients (never go to the bathroom) and sit on a couch for months. it is technically possible to gain weight. so how does this help anyone ?
I challenge ANYONE in this forum to become obese on organic fruits, veggies, grass fed meats, nuts and water !
yes if you never excrete excess nutrients (never go to the bathroom) and sit on a couch for months. it is technically possible to gain weight. so how does this help anyone ?
You do understand that a calorie surplus is simply consuming more calories than you burn, right? You said you had "clients" so I'm assuming that you're a personal trainer, which would require at least rudimentary knowledge of these type of things. It doesn't require that someone be completely sedentary for that to happen.
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I challenge ANYONE in this forum to become obese on organic fruits, veggies, grass fed meats, nuts and water !
Are you seriously taking the position that it's not possible to do so?
So there is your problem. You parsed out the entire second part of that post and tried to make a witty comeback. See my original response, with the relevant part bolded.
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You do understand that a calorie surplus is simply consuming more calories than you burn, right? You said you had "clients" so I'm assuming that you're a personal trainer, which would require at least rudimentary knowledge of these type of things. It doesn't require that someone be completely sedentary for that to happen.
Hope that clears things up.
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Not possible to do what ?? Define what you mean when you use the word "so."
You couldn't figure it out from context? Well, let me be more clear then.
League54, is it or is it not your position that it is impossible for someone to become obese on a diet of "on organic fruits, veggies, grass fed meats, nuts and water?"
If I eat a dozen organic oranges, three cups of organic mashed avocado, a half cup of organic, unsweetened peanutbutter with half a dozen organic over-ripe bananas, enjoy a snack of grain-fed goose liver pate on organic celery stalks and two ears of organically grown corn on the cob, and for dinner have a 20-ounce T-Bone steak from an organic-grass-fed cow, cooked medium rare with a gravy made from the fat of that steak, sop it all up with a few organically grown potatos, and top off the evening with an organic salad with a cup of walnuts, a half cup of organically expeller-pressed peanut oil, and wash all -that- down with organic coconut and palm milk sweetened with the juice of an organically grown sugarcane...
And eat that every day, for a month...
I will get fat. I need no butter, no bread, no high fructose corn syrup, to consume any of that. And yet, I will get fat.
Quantity isn't everything. Just as quality isn't everything. Just as organic isn't everything. Just as grass fed isn't everything.
If your grass-fed cow lives in a pasture where the pesticide company does its experiments, your grass-fed cow's meat is going to be less healthy than the grass-fed cow that lives in a less open space, and fed grass that has never had pesticides sprayed on it.
If you eat mass quantities of ANYTHING for a long enough duration, you will either get fat, or dead, in short order.
Organic snake venom is still snake venom.
Eating mostly healthy foods, in moderation, can prevent most diet-related illnesses and can contribute to a healthy weight.
Eating the occasional double cheeseburger with extra ketchup, is not going to cause a problem.
Eating the occasional non-grass-fed slab of dead cow is not going to cause a problem.
Having a splash of milk in your morning cup of coffee is not going to cause a problem.
UNLESS you already have a problem with these foods, before you consume them. Such as - an allergy to milk. Or a protein intolerance. Or an allergy to tomatoes. Or celiac disease, in the case of the burger, assuming you consume the sesame-seed bun along with the meat.
If you are already currently healthy, enjoying the occasional hot fudge sundae is not going to cause harm. Enjoying ketchup with high fructose corn syrup on your monthly burger outing with the Red Hat club isn't going to give you a heart attack. If you are already currently healthy, french fries double-breaded, fried in peanut oil, and dipped in tartar sauce once every third tuesday, is not going to clog your arteries, or add 40 pounds to your lithe frame.
Exercise counts as well, because exercise contributes to good circulation, healthy heart, physical strength and fitness, and a more efficient metabolism. So does getting the right amount of restful, productive sleep.
If you think otherwise, you are not thinking clearly.
Well, since both of you are so determined to convince everyone that quantity is important.
Tell us, what is the right quantity of food we should all be eating on a regular basis ?
They aren't the only two who think that quantity is important; so do I.
I thought that it was understood that caloric needs are different for each person. As a personal trainer, shouldn't you know this?
I'm not saying that quality isn't important; I just think that they BOTH are important.
And I find it interesting that you did not answer Bosco's question. You are the one making the claim that quantity is the only important factor in weight loss. The burden of proof is on you.
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