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Taking a dog ON a leash to an off-leash park? This guy was looking for trouble. Makes me wonder about his own stability if he's so quick to pull his gun and use it. This reminds me of a comment on here not too long ago about someone bringing their knife to a dog park and "not being afraid to use it".
My bf and others may laugh at me for being so protective of Kizzy, but when we do go to off leash parks, I certainly will be watching like a hawk, and will definitely keep him away from those who have their dogs on a leash.
Not sure why I've become attached to this story, but this site provides a little more information. Apprently the officer used his personal weapon and claims he shot in self-defense:
We stopped going to dog parks because most people there don't seem to have any concept of keeping their dogs' behavior in check, our dogs have gotten diseases, and people in general are stupid - why would I subject my dogs to them?
This is just ridiculous. I hope that guy gets his due.
If I were carrying a gun and another dog really did attack my dog, I'd kick it in the head first...if that didn't work, I'd fire a shot in the air. Sudden loud noises seem to work pretty well at stopping dogs. Shooting the dog should have been the last resort.
Then again, no matter how many guns I own, I don't ever feel compelled to wander around with them in my pocket.
the fact that this guy felt compelled to bring a loaded weapon to a DOG PARK illustrates his basic mindset.... i can NOT stand these conceal and carry permits.... we had a guy shoot another guy in the hand while they were waiting in line to pay for stuff at a convenience store.... the gun fell out of the guy's pocket while he was fishing around for change..... the gun fired when it hit the floor and shot the guy in front of him in the hand....
i, for one, feel LESS safe knowing that all of these morons are running around with guns in their pockets and purses, willing and able to fire at will and apparently, with little to no provocation.....
We stopped going to dog parks because most people there don't seem to have any concept of keeping their dogs' behavior in check, our dogs have gotten diseases, and people in general are stupid - why would I subject my dogs to them?
This is just ridiculous. I hope that guy gets his due.
If I were carrying a gun and another dog really did attack my dog, I'd kick it in the head first...if that didn't work, I'd fire a shot in the air. Sudden loud noises seem to work pretty well at stopping dogs. Shooting the dog should have been the last resort.
Then again, no matter how many guns I own, I don't ever feel compelled to wander around with them in my pocket.
Firearms safety rule #4: Know your target and what is beyond.
Firing a shot into the air is unsafe and unacceptable. Responsible gun owners understand they are responsible to for the terminal resting point of every round that leaves their firearm, legally, morally, ethically, and financially.
When you fire a shot in the air you have no idea where that round is going or where it will land. At a dog park, filled with people and animals. What you propose is actually worse than what happened in the original story.
Given your lack of understanding of firearms safety it is a blessing that you do not carry as a lifestyle!
I spoke too soon, apparently the rant is not quite off.........
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Originally Posted by latetotheparty
the fact that this guy felt compelled to bring a loaded weapon to a DOG PARK illustrates his basic mindset.... i can NOT stand these conceal and carry permits.... we had a guy shoot another guy in the hand while they were waiting in line to pay for stuff at a convenience store.... the gun fell out of the guy's pocket while he was fishing around for change..... the gun fired when it hit the floor and shot the guy in front of him in the hand....
i, for one, feel LESS safe knowing that all of these morons are running around with guns in their pockets and purses, willing and able to fire at will and apparently, with little to no provocation.....
It is unfair and innaccurate to label all CCW holders as morons. That would be no different than judging every dog owner by the ones who leave their dogs in the car in 110 degree heat where they suffocate; or with those who breed dogs for fighting, or equating puppy mill owners with responsible breeders.
The good and safe legal gun owners out number the occasional idiot that gives everyone a bad name.
Those few bad dog owners, especially with breeds historically bred to fight, give many a bad name, both owners and breeds. Wouldn't you agree?
The danger with painting with the broad brush of generalization is that it is a low quality paint that splatters much and some paint is bound to come back at you.
Firearms safety rule #4: Know your target and what is beyond.
Firing a shot into the air is unsafe and unacceptable. Responsible gun owners understand they are responsible to for the terminal resting point of every round that leaves their firearm, legally, morally, ethically, and financially.
When you fire a shot in the air you have no idea where that round is going or where it will land. At a dog park, filled with people and animals. What you propose is actually worse than what happened in the original story.
Given your lack of understanding of firearms safety it is a blessing that you do not carry as a lifestyle!
whew! rant off.
Yes, but there's the problem. Responsible gun owners would not have reacted as the officer did. Responsible gun owners do not fire indescriminately. And taking a lousy two-hour class or a five-hour class in order to carry a deadly weapon is insane.
LTTP is correct, people are freakin' stupid. She may be no firearms fan, but she has the right idea. As I read LTTP's post her proposal was precisely correct: A gun should be the last resort. The absolute last resort. And unfortunately, the individual who killed the dog was wholly and absolutely incapable of handling a firearm - and this guy was "trained."
BTW, carrying a deadly weapon is not a "lifestyle."
PS: Just read your second post. Let's please not make this into a gun-control debate. It's about an incompetent gun owner who precipitously killed a dog. This ain't "Great Debates."
Yes, but there's the problem. Responsible gun owners would not have reacted as the officer did. Responsible gun owners do not fire indescriminately. And taking a lousy two-hour class or a five-hour class in order to carry a deadly weapon is insane.
LTTP is correct, people are freakin' stupid. She may be no firearms fan, but she has the right idea. As I read LTTP's post her proposal was precisely correct: A gun should be the last resort. The absolute last resort. And unfortunately, the individual who killed the dog was wholly and absolutely incapable of handling a firearm - and this guy was "trained."
BTW, carrying a deadly weapon is not a "lifestyle."
My first post in this thread emphasized that the firearm is always the last resort. Perhaps that was somehow unclear?
We don't know all the facts yet. The off-duty officer stated he feared for his safety and that of his wife. Perhaps he did. I don't have a crystal ball that lets me read his mind, do you?
I'm not defending the off-duty officer's actions. He should have arrived at the dog park with a better plan of how to defend himself and his wife from an aggressive dog than only his firearm. No question about that. It appears he may have misread the dog's behavior as well as compounding the situation by keeping his own dog on-leash.
As it has been portrayed in the newspaper it is a tragedy that may have been avoided by a number of the parties involved. By the off-duty officer, and by the owner of the dog that was shot and killed having better control over his dog.
In the end it was the dog that paid the price for the failings of the humans around him, including his owner. For above all else it is the owner's duty to protect his/her dog. When taking dogs in public, off-leash, that means having the dog well trained to follow commands immediately and without hesitation. It is for the dogs' safety.
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This reminds me of a comment on here not too long ago about someone bringing their knife to a dog park and "not being afraid to use it".
