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Old 10-14-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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That is absolutely accurate!

I was expecting something else when I saw the title, nice to see a thread about pitts that hopefully won't provoke an argument.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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i had to "borrow" this and post in facebook for my rescue friends.....
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Because the Clifton Report proved that Pittbulls (based on total dogs and total attacks) was the breed with the most vicious attacks, maimings, and deaths of all breeds against humans. The media uses the report to base their reporting of pittbull attacks because everyone knows they are the leaders in vicious attacks againt animals and people. Sound media reproting because, lets face it, pitbull attacks are gory, bloody and so demon like that it makes news and sells papers.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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You've been given who knows how many links to read and you still buy in to everything the media tells you.

Suuuuuure, the media is NEVER biased for a "sensational" story and they always, always get their dog breeds right.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! Good one.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Well at one time they blamed German Shepherds .... Then Dobies .... Then Rotties
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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Default Uneducated people...

First, LOVE the picture, it is so SPOT on. When I got to the kitten, it had me laughing!!! ...but reminded me of a very sad truth...

Unfortunately there are so many uneducated people about dogs and dog breeds, I don't know where to begin. I know the media doesn't help the problem, matter of a fact they are a BIG part of the problem.

Of course ownership is the next issue. These beautiful animals we (humans) created) have had horrible owners and terrible living conditions. Most have been abused and neglected. The breed standard for Am Staff (AKC is doing a feature on them this month ) tells just how people friendly they are...they are NOT suppose to attack people. Which is why they make not so good guard dogs. Great alert dogs, bad guard dogs.

Dogs have to be taught to be human aggressive through abuse, neglect, fear, etc., it is not a natural trait, especially in the Am Staff / Pit Bull. They do have a high prey drive and will go after vermin, which is why they did so well as farm dogs. They will eridicate the vermin population in the barn and fields. Herd in live stock, and most importantly, play with the children. They were an all around excellent farm dog...but most people don't know that because that doesn't sell papers. Blood and guts, now that sells papers.

Because of their sturdy body, sharp minds and problem solving capabilities, they make great service dogs. They have also had great success in search and rescue, tracking and agility...but this information doesn't sell, either. It rarely gets out unless you own, rescue or are trying to save this incredible breed. While there are breed restrictions and walls being placed around this breed it is sad to see the truth fall to the way side.

Again, as responsible owners must take a stand. It is their only hope. The irresponsible ones that have made it incredibly difficult.

Sorry...this always touches a nerve. I LOVE the picture, it is so SPOT on!!!

P.S. Will have to "borrow" this picture.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_s...shire_terrier/

Last edited by LuvABull.Denver; 10-14-2011 at 02:14 PM.. Reason: Need to borrow picture...
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Old 10-14-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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You've been given who knows how many links to read and you still buy in to everything the media tells you.

Suuuuuure, the media is NEVER biased for a "sensational" story and they always, always get their dog breeds right.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! Good one.
the question was why every dog bite attack on the news is a pitbull, the answer is because every independent and non-bias report issued by private and governement sources shows to the media that pitbull breed has the highest protortional number of vicious attacks on animals and humans. there is no argument that any breed can attack and turn vicious, and there is no argument that many other breeds are just as vicius or more so, but when looking at the total number of attacks that result in serious injury, maiming and deaths, pitbulls top the chart each time.

You also have to remember that many of these reports are based on attacks from pitbull where they were in loving and responsible owner homes. In that group pits still were number 1. So although it can be argued that Pit Bulls often are the way they are because of how smany treat them or why they have them, you also can't forget that many times the attacks were by PitBulls that were well cared for and properly taken care of.

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Well at one time they blamed German Shepherds .... Then Dobies .... Then Rotties
if you look at these reports, you will se that those breeds fluctuate between #2 - #5 year by year as to the next worst breed for serious attacks. However Pitbulls seldom drop out of first place.

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Again, as responsible owners must take a stand. It is their only hope. The irresponsible ones that have made it incredibly difficult.
probably the greatest harm to Pit Bulls and a leading cause of why restrctions and public perception exist is because Pit Bull loyalist will never accept that the breed has natural vicious traits. When Roties and dobermans were thought to be the leading causes of deaths and injuries, those breed loyalist didnl;t sugar coat the issue. They didn;t try to portray that breed as a lap dog. They admitted that the bred has certain natural tendancies that makes them vicious and proper ownership is key to preventing attacks. if an attack happened they didn;t blame the perople but the breed because it was allowed to be seperated from the humans that kept it in check. Soon people started looking at those breeds as what they were, great pets that can become vicious if allowed to become vicious because thats what they are. once people recognized that, they started looking at the person and their relation ship to that breed.

However Pit bull owners will not accept even the most basic fact that even the most loyal and most human friendly one can become cojo if their human interaction dissapears. And they refuse (and god only knows why because it such a no-brainer) that due to size and built, their attacks will be more serious than many other breeds. If a Pit Bull attacks a person and kills them, tryiong to convince the world that its due to bad ownership is laughable. Many times its Chads and Tiffany's pet for 8 years that went postal one day so wasting time trying to con the public into thinking its the dogs upbrining sets back the cause.

i think what many Pit Bull owners make as a mistake is trying to defend the breed way past the point of reason. If you stand there telling people that so and so's yorkie is actually more vicious as little Debbie is being wisked away in a body bag after a pit bull attack, you know exactly what that will accomplish with that lame attempt at defenfing the breed. But thats such a common thing.
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Old 10-14-2011, 03:04 PM
 
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the question was why every dog bite attack on the news is a pitbull, the answer is because every independent and non-bias report issued by private and governement sources shows to the media that pitbull breed has the highest protortional number of vicious attacks on animals and humans. there is no argument that any breed can attack and turn vicious, and there is no argument that many other breeds are just as vicius or more so, but when looking at the total number of attacks that result in serious injury, maiming and deaths, pitbulls top the chart each time.

You also have to remember that many of these reports are based on attacks from pitbull where they were in loving and responsible owner homes. In that group pits still were number 1. So although it can be argued that Pit Bulls often are the way they are because of how smany treat them or why they have them, you also can't forget that many times the attacks were by PitBulls that were well cared for and properly taken care of.


if you look at these reports, you will se that those breeds fluctuate between #2 - #5 year by year as to the next worst breed for serious attacks. However Pitbulls seldom drop out of first place.


probably the greatest harm to Pit Bulls and a leading cause of why restrctions and public perception exist is because Pit Bull loyalist will never accept that the breed has natural vicious traits. When Roties and dobermans were thought to be the leading causes of deaths and injuries, those breed loyalist didnl;t sugar coat the issue. They didn;t try to portray that breed as a lap dog. They admitted that the bred has certain natural tendancies that makes them vicious and proper ownership is key to preventing attacks. if an attack happened they didn;t blame the perople but the breed because it was allowed to be seperated from the humans that kept it in check. Soon people started looking at those breeds as what they were, great pets that can become vicious if allowed to become vicious because thats what they are. once people recognized that, they started looking at the person and their relation ship to that breed.

However Pit bull owners will not accept even the most basic fact that even the most loyal and most human friendly one can become cojo if their human interaction dissapears. And they refuse (and god only knows why because it such a no-brainer) that due to size and built, their attacks will be more serious than many other breeds. If a Pit Bull attacks a person and kills them, tryiong to convince the world that its due to bad ownership is laughable. Many times its Chads and Tiffany's pet for 8 years that went postal one day so wasting time trying to con the public into thinking its the dogs upbrining sets back the cause.

i think what many Pit Bull owners make as a mistake is trying to defend the breed way past the point of reason. If you stand there telling people that so and so's yorkie is actually more vicious as little Debbie is being wisked away in a body bag after a pit bull attack, you know exactly what that will accomplish with that lame attempt at defenfing the breed. But thats such a common thing.
wow.... and all this from someone supposedly so media-savvy.....
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Old 10-14-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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Because the Clifton Report proved that Pittbulls (based on total dogs and total attacks) was the breed with the most vicious attacks, maimings, and deaths of all breeds against humans. The media uses the report to base their reporting of pittbull attacks because everyone knows they are the leaders in vicious attacks againt animals and people. Sound media reproting because, lets face it, pitbull attacks are gory, bloody and so demon like that it makes news and sells papers.
The Clifton Report is very biased and has been shown to be based on data that is inaccurate or untrue. Mr. Clifton made no effort to hide his disdain for the bully breeds and his conclusions are based on press releases and his own opinion, not on fact or any sort of scientific study. Here's a good analysis of the report:
Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings: The Clifton Report, an Analysis | DwightTinker (http://dwighttinker.com/drupal/content/dog-attack-deaths-and-maimings-clifton-report-analysis - broken link)
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