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Old 04-20-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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Since the beginning of organized civilization there have always been two groups of people, the haves and the have nots, the winners and the losers, the rich and the poor, the kings and the serfs. As part of our entitlement society, I am not sure why people in 2014 think it will be any different for them. Now with that being said, even the poor people in the USA have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world, but if you think you will ever be on an "even" level when it comes to wealth, that will never happen for a few reasons:

#1 The people that are telling you that it can happen only want one thing from you...your vote
- it his the politician's job to get you to feel angry, motivated why? So you will vote for "your guy" of course. Do you really think anyone you vote for really gives 2 ****s about you? Think about it.

#2 You will always buy their worthless junk
- Do you really need an ipad? Or even a Television? Capitalism is great at making people believe they need worthless junk. And the people bitching and moaning about the 1% are using their Imac to complain about while sipping a $6 latte. If you really want a true "socialist" or "fair society", go build a co-op, bet it wont last though, humans are inherently greedy.

#3 Why would they let you into their club?
- There are only a handful of the super wealthy and guess what? They aren't going to let you anywhere near them.

#4 You are too worried about what your neighbor thinks about you
- You went into debt to buy an overpriced hunk of metal? Really?

#5 The system is a pyramid scheme
- This goes back to #3, the way the system is setup, is that there is plenty of room for those at the bottom ,but not at the top. We need people to clean bathrooms, mow lawns, even do grunt work in an office building, what makes you think YOU are special? And even if you were special, you would have figured it out by now and wouldn't be poor.


I can think of many more but I didn't want to make this an epic 10 page post. GLTA!
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: NY
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Since the beginning of organized civilization there have always been two groups of people, the haves and the have nots, the winners and the losers, the rich and the poor, the kings and the serfs. As part of our entitlement society, I am not sure why people in 2014 think it will be any different for them. Now with that being said, even the poor people in the USA have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world, but if you think you will ever be on an "even" level when it comes to wealth, that will never happen for a few reasons:

#1 The people that are telling you that it can happen only want one thing from you...your vote
- it his the politician's job to get you to feel angry, motivated why? So you will vote for "your guy" of course. Do you really think anyone you vote for really gives 2 ****s about you? Think about it.

#2 You will always buy their worthless junk
- Do you really need an ipad? Or even a Television? Capitalism is great at making people believe they need worthless junk. And the people bitching and moaning about the 1% are using their Imac to complain about while sipping a $6 latte. If you really want a true "socialist" or "fair society", go build a co-op, bet it wont last though, humans are inherently greedy.

#3 Why would they let you into their club?
- There are only a handful of the super wealthy and guess what? They aren't going to let you anywhere near them.

#4 You are too worried about what your neighbor thinks about you
- You went into debt to buy an overpriced hunk of metal? Really?

#5 The system is a pyramid scheme
- This goes back to #3, the way the system is setup, is that there is plenty of room for those at the bottom ,but not at the top. We need people to clean bathrooms, mow lawns, even do grunt work in an office building, what makes you think YOU are special? And even if you were special, you would have figured it out by now and wouldn't be poor.


I can think of many more but I didn't want to make this an epic 10 page post. GLTA!
You should have made it an epic 10 page post.

Good examples.
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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You're mistaken in equating "have nots" with "losers". You're mistaken in thinking that the working class and poor want to keep up with the Joneses.

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I can think of many more
Glad you didn't.

How much worthless junk do you own, by the way?
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Originally Posted by The b8nk View Post
Since the beginning of organized civilization there have always been two groups of people, the haves and the have nots, the winners and the losers, the rich and the poor, the kings and the serfs. As part of our entitlement society, I am not sure why people in 2014 think it will be any different for them. Now with that being said, even the poor people in the USA have it pretty darn good compared to the rest of the world, but if you think you will ever be on an "even" level when it comes to wealth, that will never happen for a few reasons:

#1 The people that are telling you that it can happen only want one thing from you...your vote
- it his the politician's job to get you to feel angry, motivated why? So you will vote for "your guy" of course. Do you really think anyone you vote for really gives 2 ****s about you? Think about it.

#2 You will always buy their worthless junk
- Do you really need an ipad? Or even a Television? Capitalism is great at making people believe they need worthless junk. And the people bitching and moaning about the 1% are using their Imac to complain about while sipping a $6 latte. If you really want a true "socialist" or "fair society", go build a co-op, bet it wont last though, humans are inherently greedy.

#3 Why would they let you into their club?
- There are only a handful of the super wealthy and guess what? They aren't going to let you anywhere near them.

#4 You are too worried about what your neighbor thinks about you
- You went into debt to buy an overpriced hunk of metal? Really?

#5 The system is a pyramid scheme
- This goes back to #3, the way the system is setup, is that there is plenty of room for those at the bottom ,but not at the top. We need people to clean bathrooms, mow lawns, even do grunt work in an office building, what makes you think YOU are special? And even if you were special, you would have figured it out by now and wouldn't be poor.


I can think of many more but I didn't want to make this an epic 10 page post. GLTA!
Some of us poor, already KNOW how to get the things we need without any help from the wealthy!
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:09 PM
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Without getting into your list and speaking in very general terms, I think one of the worst things a person can feel is that they "can't have". All through my childhood nobody told anybody that they "can't have". Nobody felt that they "can't have". Today, a good part of the American population feel they "can't have". When you feel you "can't have", it is natural to not even try.

I feel, and this is not based on any studies just my opinion, what changed is our society started to associate blame. The reason you "can't have" is because of <fill in the blank>. And, naturally, people believe what they were told. And because something is not their fault, it becomes easier to not even try.

The blame game started 2 generations ago and has accelerated lately. The fix-it game started the same time the blame game started and has also accelerated recently. We have no results. In fact, things have become worse.

I do not blame the poor. I do not blame the rich. I blame all of us for trying to help but helping in the worst possible way. Our hearts were in the right place, really they were. We just didn't know what to do. We failed and it is time we recognized our failures.
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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If a person is born into a poor income family, and has a low IQ, or maybe blind or lame, what can anyone do to make him one of the "haves"?

Maybe just a terrible attitude about life in general. Why are we supposed to be helpful to someone that thinks like that?

If a person does not respect the property of others, why should he be treated as if he deserved more?

People are different. To lump them all together and try to give them everything they want is just asking for more trouble.
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:57 PM
 
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Nothing will ever be free and trying to keep up when more and more dependent on government is a losing game. you either accept playing or you don't. Some like the game others don't. If you were government and more and more dependent on the top more and more; what would you do?
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:42 PM
 
Location: brooklyn, new york, USA
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beyond the basics (healthcare, food, shelter, security), being poor/low class is a state of mind. once you escape poverty and are safe and eating and living healthy, you can choose how you want to see life. i realize class is defined by income but that doesn't mean much. if i spend all i make, i live in debt which means i live in stress. that is not a high class way of living. and vice versa. but yeah, society will always have classes. the smarter stronger better looking person deserves to enjoy a better life because he/she works harder and contributes more. it was no different in the middle ages or in egyptian times or the mayans or any other past pathetic civilizations of the homo sapiens species. it's a good thing that they perished because human greed and avarice knows no bounds. it's a miracle that slavery is even outlawed today. well, not human trafficking but open slavery. at least be thankful for that much if you are "poor."

note - i am "poor" and am not taking a jab at those who are poor
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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the smarter stronger better looking person deserves to enjoy a better life because he/she works harder and contributes more.
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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Of course, the poor will always lose the war......if they win they are no longer poor.
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