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Old 02-11-2012, 06:54 PM
 
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Most of those people have left areas where their subsistence level is much worse than what they have here. They are doing without better than they would back at home. In either case, the children have to depend on the parents that they were dealt. In my own case, my mother came to this country to escape abuse at home, only to find herself abused here.

Many of the recent immigrants are illegals, and they do without aid from the government because they are keeping as far under the radar as they can. I have a cousin who was illegal until he married his baby's mother, at which point he was able to to work legally. I didn't approve of his actions, as all my other relatives who immigrated did so legally, without the help of anchor babies.

A great number of immigrants to this country do succeed in rising economically, but others never do. Much of the difference depends on the degree to which the parents are willing to sacrifice for their children's education. Families where the parents both work night and day and insist that their children spend that same time studying fare differently from those where the parents insist that the children work with them and neglect their studies in order to contribute to the family economically.

My own experience is with children of families only a few generations removed from Jim Crow. The community has been decimated due to the exit of those who were motivated and encouraged to apply themselves--they reached the point where they could leave the ghetto. The ones who remain are generally people who have not learned to fend for themselves after a dozen generations of paternalism that began when their ancestors were imported to the area. That factor, combined with the tendency to live in the moment, rather than plan for the future, has contributed to the culture of dependence that characterizes many urban neighborhoods and most of the Mississippi Delta.

The children of the immigrants hear stories of how things are back home, and that also contributes to their motivation to succeed. Especially if they are illegal, and would be deported if discovered, the children of immigrants learn how to manage for themselves in order to be overlooked by government entities. It's a matter of survival.
They are abused here. They are kept in the shadows by people who hire them to exploit them. They are kept in the shadows by well meaning, but misguided people who think they are doing good for them, but are only keeping them in a limbo state of dependency.

Illegal aliens need to go back to their country and revolt, and fight for their country rather than coming here illegally, adding to the destruction of this country, and abusing people here.

By the way, I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT to this country.

 
Old 02-11-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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Wow, that's vulgar.

I believe in free enterprise, in competition, in the market dictating what people do. You don't. That's ok, it's called socialism, and Russia realized that it didn't work. China, socialist in name only, is more capitalist than the US is.
Vulgar? I don't think you know what the word means.

Socialism? You're claiming that I'm vulgar and a socialist. You happen to be doing this on the Internet. Do you know what came before the Internet, the actual father of the Internet? It was something called ARPANET, which was funded by the Department of Defense back in 1962! The basis of the modern Internet, which you use to call me a vulgar socialist, was a government project. I think you should become familiar with the word "ironic."
 
Old 02-11-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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I never said I wouldn't read anything! Don't go making things up! What was the source? I must have missed one of your posts.
You did, go back and re-read your posts to me. You may have meant if for someone else, but it came to me.....
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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You did, go back and re-read your posts to me. You may have meant if for someone else, but it came to me.....
All I said is that I am not about to scour the NIH website. You made the claim that the NIH created something. Please provide specific evidence of what they created. I am not going to do your homework. I mean that in the best possible way.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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Vulgar? I don't think you know what the word means.

Socialism? You're claiming that I'm vulgar and a socialist. You happen to be doing this on the Internet. Do you know what came before the Internet, the actual father of the Internet? It was something called ARPANET, which was funded by the Department of Defense back in 1962! The basis of the modern Internet, which you use to call me a vulgar socialist, was a government project. I think you should become familiar with the word "ironic."

The Common Defense is clearly enumerated in the Constitution. It is one of the few things about the Federal System of Government which is explicitly defined and authorized by the Constitution. Not much else done by the Federal Government is useful, authorized, or efficient. Almost all of the the Federal Government needs to be dismantled.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:20 PM
 
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All I said is that I am not about to scour the NIH website. You made the claim that the NIH created something. Please provide specific evidence of what they created. I am not going to do your homework. I mean that in the best possible way.

So I found this tidbit after a search of less than a minute:

Why Rochester continues to thrive

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The University of Rochester with its Medical Center is the area’s largest employer, playing a role much like that of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in western Pennsylvania. Over the last five years, the University of Rochester has received more than $1.9 billion in total research funding, most of it from the federal government. It holds 273 U.S. patents and 106 foreign patents. More recently, the University was awarded $4.7 million by the NIH as an initial payment toward what potentially will be a $35 million to $50 million Respiratory Pathogens Research Center. That project will be supported in turn by a recent $5 million grant from New York State for initial support of the University of Rochester Health Sciences Center for Computational Innovation, a potentially $100 million project combining the resources of the university, IBM, and New York to create one of the world’s most powerful computer systems dedicated to health research.
I suppose you will argue that the University would have been awarded those patents without any funding from the government. I guess the university itself could exist without government aid as well, along with all the other universities in the country. While we're at it, let's privatize higher education as well and auction off all the public institutions of higher learning to the highest bidder. It could be just like the way that stadiums have been privatized. The University of Rochester could become the University of Xerox or Bausch and Lomb Institute. Think of the possibilities!
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:22 PM
 
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All I said is that I am not about to scour the NIH website. You made the claim that the NIH created something. Please provide specific evidence of what they created. I am not going to do your homework. I mean that in the best possible way.

I'm not going to do YOUR homework for you! That information is all at the site, they talk about the fact that they've created about 40% of current drugs. Now that's it, if you want anymore info then go. It'll talk about what they fund, how they fund it, how they work with various agencies and institutions. That's it! It's up to you to figure out the answers to your questions.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:25 PM
 
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The Common Defense is clearly enumerated in the Constitution. It is one of the few things about the Federal System of Government which is explicitly defined and authorized by the Constitution. Not much else done by the Federal Government is useful, authorized, or efficient. Almost all of the the Federal Government needs to be dismantled.
Then begin by not driving on FED roads, using FED power, flying into FED airports and on and on. If you truly believe what you posted, then on principle, you wouldn't be using the Internet. I'm sorry if I can't believe what you posted, until you do those basic things....
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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So I found this tidbit after a search of less than a minute:

Why Rochester continues to thrive



I suppose you will argue that the University would have been awarded those patents without any funding from the government. I guess the university itself could exist without government aid as well, along with all the other universities in the country. While we're at it, let's privatize higher education as well and auction off all the public institutions of higher learning to the highest bidder. It could be just like the way that stadiums have been privatized. The University of Rochester could become the University of Xerox or Bausch and Lomb Institute. Think of the possibilities!
The fallacy of this argument is that the Federal Government had to steal money from people in order to give it to some lucky recipient. What you fail to understand is the money they stole would have been voluntarily chosen in the marketplace to possibly create the same, or even better things.

The Federal Government steals money from one person, and gives it to an other. You are intellectually dishonest if you do not understand this.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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So I found this tidbit after a search of less than a minute:

Why Rochester continues to thrive



I suppose you will argue that the University would have been awarded those patents without any funding from the government. I guess the university itself could exist without government aid as well, along with all the other universities in the country. While we're at it, let's privatize higher education as well and auction off all the public institutions of higher learning to the highest bidder. It could be just like the way that stadiums have been privatized. The University of Rochester could become the University of Xerox or Bausch and Lomb Institute. Think of the possibilities!

Thanks! Thing is that NIH has also been cutting back on grants, so just maybe there maybe that University of Xerox. On second thought, nahh that won't happen.
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