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Old 08-11-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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The Harry Potter series is 6 megabytes, equivalent to 6 500 page books. What does any kid learn from HP? Try

A Fall of Moondust by Arthur C. Clarke

Most of these reading evaluation systems are heavily biased on sentence length and do nothing about content. I have written a program that counts science and fantasy words. Clarke puts more science and engineering in 400K than Rowling puts in 6 Meg.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:31 AM
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Go to the library or bookstore. Peruse for an hour or more. Pick up books that tickle your fancy. Read.

There doesn't need to be a fancy system of scores or counting science/fantasy words in order to get your children to read. Give them the freedom to explore on their own.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Go to the library or bookstore. Peruse for an hour or more. Pick up books that tickle your fancy. Read. .
Who needs libraries?

The Wind in the Willows, by Kenneth Grahame
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27805...-h/27805-h.htm


There are some books that have been mentioned in some circles for decades.

I do wonder why I never heard of them as a kid.

Black Beauty, by Anna Sewell

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/271/271-h/271-h.htm

White Fang, by Jack London

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/910/910-h/910-h.htm


White Fang was the only one I stumbled across in grade school. The trouble with browsing is that there are
SO MANY BOOKS.
If most are mediocre to crap then what will yo get most of the time? Why we do not have a National
Recommended Reading List is somewhat of a question. Would most publishers and authors object?

Is our economic paradigm really having workers who are mostly too ignorant to best serve their own interests with an underclass to scare the workers? What would a society with a really large percentage of well educated people be like? Why shouldn't the Internet make that possible.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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I find it really strange that we do not have a National Recommended Reading List. One problem with being a kid is that you don't have a clue what you are interested in. There were only 5 TV channels when I was a kid and no Internet. I cannot imagine what it is like being a 10-year old these days.

Great Expectations

Are they kidding!?! Wouldn't that have been silly for a 10-year old to read before the Moon landing.I read this when I was 9.

Star Surgeon (1959) by Alan E. Nourse
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18492...-h/18492-h.htm
http://librivox.org/star-surgeon-by-alan-edward-nourse/
Review of Star Sugeon by Alan E. Nourse : SFFaudio
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Surgeon-A.../dp/1598180657

That got me hooked on science fiction but now lots of stuff is free.

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Scienc...ion_(Bookshelf)

But SF has changed since Star Wars. People claiming to be SF fans do not care about science and much of what is called science fiction is hardly any better than Harry Potter.

Omnilingual (Feb 1957) by H. Beam Piper
Scientific Language: H. Beam Piper’s “Omnilingual” | Tor.com
Omnilingual - Henry Beam Piper | Feedbooks
http://librivox.org/omnilingual-by-h-beam-piper/

All Day September (1959) by Roger Kuykendall
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24161...-h/24161-h.htm

Eight Keys to Eden (1960) by Mark Clifton
http://www.mysterious-strange-weird....mysteries.html
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27595...-h/27595-h.htm

Black Man's Burden (1961) by Mack Reynolds
SF Gospel: Mack Reynolds on Africa, Islam, utopia, and progress
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/32390...-h/32390-h.htm

Border, Breed Nor Birth (1963) by Mack Reynolds
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30639...-h/30639-h.htm

David and the Phoenix (1957) by Edward Ormondroyd
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27922...-h/27922-h.htm
It is going to depend on the child's individual interests. If a child (or an adult, for that matter) does not know his/her own interests, it baffles and amazes me that someone else, who has not met the person in question, can think they know what his/her interests are. Kids are just as individual as adults.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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It is going to depend on the child's individual interests. If a child (or an adult, for that matter) does not know his/her own interests, it baffles and amazes me that someone else, who has not met the person in question, can think they know what his/her interests are. Kids are just as individual as adults.
The only way to find out is to try it.

But there is an inescapable fact that confronts all of us.
Technology has been and is continuing to change the world we live in.

There is no escape!

People lie and hide information about what you do not understand. Worked for IBM and in hifi equipment. Seen it myself.

Some SF makes science interesting. Stuff like Star Wars does not.

Some people read a lot but don't seem to learn much. All reading material is not informative. Some stuff I LIKE is not informative, but I admit that to myself. I don't suggest it to other people without that caveat however.

What have you suggested?
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:20 AM
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Who needs libraries?

The Wind in the Willows, by Kenneth Grahame
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27805...-h/27805-h.htm


There are some books that have been mentioned in some circles for decades.

I do wonder why I never heard of them as a kid.

Black Beauty, by Anna Sewell

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/271/271-h/271-h.htm

White Fang, by Jack London

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/910/910-h/910-h.htm


White Fang was the only one I stumbled across in grade school. The trouble with browsing is that there are
SO MANY BOOKS.
If most are mediocre to crap then what will yo get most of the time? Why we do not have a National
Recommended Reading List is somewhat of a question. Would most publishers and authors object?

Is our economic paradigm really having workers who are mostly too ignorant to best serve their own interests with an underclass to scare the workers? What would a society with a really large percentage of well educated people be like? Why shouldn't the Internet make that possible.
I need a library. I hate reading on screens. The homeless guy on the street needs a library. He doesn't have a computer and isn't allowed to take out books because he doesn't have a permanent address so he has to read the books in the building. A poor person needs a library because they don't have internet access at home.

I find great pleasure in browsing books as do my children. You pick up some stinkers and you pick up some gems. If you are worried about the economic paradigm of ignorant workers you should support free public libraries.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:22 AM
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The only way to find out is to try it.

But there is an inescapable fact that confronts all of us.
Technology has been and is continuing to change the world we live in.

There is no escape!

People lie and hide information about what you do not understand. Worked for IBM and in hifi equipment. Seen it myself.

Some SF makes science interesting. Stuff like Star Wars does not.

Some people read a lot but don't seem to learn much. All reading material is not informative. Some stuff I LIKE is not informative, but I admit that to myself. I don't suggest it to other people without that caveat however.

What have you suggested?
That is your personal opinion. I hate Star Wars but many others enjoy it. Why should they not read it because some of us don't like it?

I read to be entertained and to be informed. The two are not mutual exclusive.

My suggestion is to read. Read anything you find interesting. Read anything you want to learn more about. Read a book, a magazine, on a tablet, on a laptop or on your phone. For heaven's sake, just read.
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Old 08-12-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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I need a library. I hate reading on screens. The homeless guy on the street needs a library. He doesn't have a computer and isn't allowed to take out books because he doesn't have a permanent address so he has to read the books in the building. A poor person needs a library because they don't have internet access at home.

I find great pleasure in browsing books as do my children. You pick up some stinkers and you pick up some gems. If you are worried about the economic paradigm of ignorant workers you should support free public libraries.
I did not object to libraries but everyone does not need them equally. One advantage of libraries is free wireless access.

But you can download 100 books or audiobooks into a tablet. Not everyone has a problem reading from screens. To me it is no different, but some apps will automatically scroll at a controlled speed. I think apps that imitate pages are silly.

But that is the curious thing about technology. We have to decide how to use it. In fact I think homelessness should have been eliminated decades ago and we should have had a 3-day work week by 1990. Our economists don't say much about Planned Obsolescence. Technology again!

Economic Wargames: How the economic model is unsustainable and enslaving.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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Who needs libraries?

The Wind in the Willows, by Kenneth Grahame
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27805...-h/27805-h.htm


There are some books that have been mentioned in some circles for decades.

I do wonder why I never heard of them as a kid.

Black Beauty, by Anna Sewell

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/271/271-h/271-h.htm

White Fang, by Jack London

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/910/910-h/910-h.htm


White Fang was the only one I stumbled across in grade school. The trouble with browsing is that there are
SO MANY BOOKS.
If most are mediocre to crap then what will yo get most of the time? Why we do not have a National
Recommended Reading List is somewhat of a question. Would most publishers and authors object?

Is our economic paradigm really having workers who are mostly too ignorant to best serve their own interests with an underclass to scare the workers? What would a society with a really large percentage of well educated people be like? Why shouldn't the Internet make that possible.
I don't know why you never heard of these as a kid.

My mom had both Black Beauty and White Fang in our home library. We also had Wind in the Willows, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, The Wizard of Oz and many, many more. We also were at the library at least once a week and could take out any books that we fancied. In my school also, we read lots of excellent books. Just because you did not like certain books does not mean they were not worth reading.
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