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This doesn't seem to get a lot of attention despite the percentages involved. Looks like the worst of both worlds - debt but no degree. Math can be challenging for many people but the assumption is that everyone will pass all their math classes, it seems.
"Nearly 40% of full-time undergraduates who enrolled in the 2011-12 academic year accumulated some debt but did not have a degree after six years, said Mark Huelsman, the director of policy and advocacy at the Hope Center for College, Community and Justice at Temple University.
About 37% of borrowers enrolling in four-year institutions in 2013 didn’t graduate within six years, either, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. The rate was even higher — 75% didn’t earn a credential — at private, for-profit institutions."
Yes that happens. Lots of people have issues with math. Some can work through it if they have the right help and motivation. Worst case scenario you get a degree that doesn't require much math. I cant imagine taking out so many loans if you know your math isn't great. Most people know this before graduating high school.
They get led down the primrose path by the everyone must go to college mantra along with the everyone gets a passing grade philosophy. They simply aren't ready for college.
Not everyone should go to college. A truth that doesn't fit well on a society that is driven by feelings.
They get led down the primrose path by the everyone must go to college mantra along with the everyone gets a passing grade philosophy. They simply aren't ready for college.
Not everyone should go to college. A truth that doesn't fit well on a society that is driven by feelings.
1. I agree with you. Too many woefully unprepared HS grads are attempting college and other study areas.
2. Students who cannot pass college algebra or a close proxy simply do not deserve any legit BS or BA college degree. The inability to pass college algebra or similar demonstrates a disqualifying lack of, "well-roundedness."
Well, there's the argument of "Why take algebra classes when your eventual profession doesn't involve anything more than basic math?"
Yes, but in the article, it states:
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Michael Chaney just couldn’t pass algebra.
He took the class at least four times from two different institutions before he gave up on a plan to pursue architecture, a career path suggested by a vocational program after he injured his back on the job in a steel mill in 1996.
How do you have an architect who can't do basic math? It's crazy!
My daughter was an English major in undergraduate. She also has a masters in education. She terrible at math, but her college (like most colleges) have 'fake' math classes for liberal arts majors who will never use it. Some college will allow a substitute of logic courses for math.
This guy from the article needed to pass a real math course for architecture. At least for the present, you can't fake architecture - just, wait for the future!
Here I go again like a broken record. The answer to the student loan situation is NOT to forgive the student loans. They took them out, they owe them. It's to LOWER the interest rates on them DRAMATICALLY. This should be done for all existing student loans and new ones. Those with existing loans over so many years ago should probably get a bigger break after having been fleeced over time.
I could borrow Federal student loans in the 1970's for 6% and state subsidized student loans at 4%. These were the days of sky high double digit interest rates. We've had interest rates for YEARS at close to 0% from the Feds AND during Obama's administration all these loans were now guaranteed by the government. It's a guaranteed cash cow for the banks as they made record profits off the backs of students.
Nobody even whispers about looking into lowering the interest rates. It's a political no-no as ALL politicians, no matter the party, are in bed with the banking industry. Big money buys politicians. Sad.
As to those that have student debt, yet no degree. Too bad in that's what happened, but no one held a gun to your head to take out that loan.
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