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Old 08-19-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Um, weren't you just arguing that there are scientists who believe in creationism over evolution and that it is merely a theory and not accepted as fact? Nice contradiction.
No thats not at all what I was arguing. In fact I said just the opposite.
I said some scientists use what they learn in science to support their beliefe in creationism.

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Apparently you have no idea what you're arguing.
You are too busy trying to prove other people wrong, that you arent reading what they are saying.
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We didn't actually evolve from monkeys. There was no moment in time where we existed as monkeys and made the jump to humans. We evolved from lesser developed species who developed from lesser, and so on. Eventually you hit primates as a common ancestor, but humans did not directly evolve from monkeys (or apes, technically). As far as the proof, there is plenty out there. No one should have to hold your hand when there is this thing called Google at your fingertips. You have control over your own ability to learn. Use it.
Thats a theory, now where is the proof that we evolved as you described? Google doesnt fabricate evidence for you, even if you wish it did.

 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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Except the logical process to arrive at it. Science doesn't come close to supporting evolution or abiogenesis, but there are still plenty of half-wits that believe in them.
Evolution does not even attempt to explain abiogenesis. It has nothing to do with that. You should probably stay out of topics you have nothing to add to.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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That's because most Catholics, Jews, and Liberal/Moderate Christians are theistic evolutionists. Only the fundamentalist/ultra conservative evangelicals predominately found in this country support Young Earth Creationism.

And we wonder why our country is failing. Let's start with the fact that our education system is an obvious failure!

The US is becoming a laughable stock of the world. We indoctrinate biblical fairly tales instead of scientific principles.

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In science, the United States falls behind countries such as Canada, Japan and the Czech Republic.

Duncan told a room full of science and math experts of the National Science Board on Tuesday morning that this will hurt the United States as it competes internationally. "We are lagging the rest of the world, and we are lagging it in pretty substantial ways," he said.
U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says - CNN
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Yes, yes, yes, scientists are always correct in their theories, and dinosaurs were all cold blooded reptiles.
Science changes as new evidence is discovered. That is the way science works. Religion never changes with evidence. It always assumes itself correct in the minds of believers, never adapting or refining itself with evidence. It merely exists, right or wrong.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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Except that scientific theory is not based on speculation or conjecture, but physical evidence. What you are describing as a theory actually fits creationism, as creationism starts with an established idea and then tries to find ways to support it. Scientific theory uses established facts and then comes up with a theory for them. In that way, "theory" ends up being a simple description of the evidence, and not a random idea.
So you are saying Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Blaise Pascal, and other famous scientists are wrong? Wow, thats some ego you got there..
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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The Bible most certainly does not support a "geocentric, flat earth". The fact that men decided it must be true based on their own observations (not unlike Darwin and his stupid evolution myth) is the issue.

This gets old. It's a common theme among you guys....if you're not able to come up with a real argument you just call us stupid and hope no one notices you're failures. Please try to be more tolerant of others. You'll go farther in life.
You use phrases like "Darwin and his stupid evolution myth" and you think that is a "real argument"?
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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Science changes as new evidence is discovered. That is the way science works. Religion never changes with evidence. It always assumes itself correct in the minds of believers, never adapting or refining itself with evidence. It merely exists, right or wrong.
Thats because religion is viewed as a "historical" event. You cant change history

We still view Christopher Columbus as the man who discovered america, but we all know thats not true.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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I did no such thing.

And yet there is no evidence that we evolved from monkeys, is there?

Not true. There are some well known scientists who believe in creationism. Louis Pasteur, Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Galileo Galilei for example. Are you telling me these people abandoned the process?

Charles Darwin himself declared Jesus Christ his salvation
I don't care if Darwin immacuately conceived, that doesn't change my point in the least. You will notice that none of these people are remembered for what they believed, but what they could prove. Creationism cannot be proven. Period.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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Here is a prime example..

The theory of evolution says that humans evolved from monkeys. Is there undeniable proof that we have? I dont believe so, and without this evidence, I'd say thats a very big crack, wouldnt you?

Not one person here has said religion is correct and that evolution is wrong.
And thank you for proving beyond a doubt that you don't understand what evolution is and you don't understand what the Theory of Evolution is .

So how about taking this opportunity to educate yourself.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

http://www.notjustatheory.com/

http://www.scienceeducationreview.co...-evolution.pdf
 
Old 08-19-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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You use phrases like "Darwin and his stupid evolution myth" and you think that is a "real argument"?
I think it's descriptive of the issue. It's mind-boggling that there are half-wits that believe in it because their grade school teacher told them so.
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