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Old 03-07-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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The difference is that on the Democratic side, religion just isn't a big issue. Harry Reid is the Senate majority leader and the Dems could care less that he's a Mormon. I think the Democrats deserve a lot of credit for the fact that the majority of them disregard such bigotries.
This. ^^ I'm sorry, but it's hard to feel sorry for the moderates in the GOP who are complaining that the Evangelicals won't get behind Romney. The GOP fostered this bigotry--they used it to get votes and it worked for them for many election cycles. They can't cry about how bigoted their base is now that it's not working for them any longer.

Conservative Republicans have insisted on a religious litmus test for all GOP candidates. Now they have to live with that, and Romney, unfortunately for him, will suffer for it.

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Old 03-07-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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I saw this comment from michiganmoon in the official primary thread, and thought it merited it's own discussion:


Now, some may think I'm trying to come up with excuses for Romney. But even I thought his religion wasn't that much of a problem anymore. I figured that many Southern and evangelical voters genuinely (and wrongly) believed he wasn't conservative enough. But this evidence, which can be seen in any exit polls, makes it sound as if their only problem with him is his faith.

Now, I think everybody would have thought this question was a no-brainer a few years ago, but we don't seem to hear about Romney's religion as much anymore and I thought we'd mostly moved past it. I figured many Romney-opponents in the GOP would happily vote for other staunchly conservative Mormons in spite of personal discomforts with the faith (Chaffetz, Glenn Beck, Mike Lee, etc) and that their opposition to Romney was based purely on his perceived lack of conservatism. I now truly think it is his faith that is keeping him from clinching the nomination. Not an overwhelming opposition, but enough in some Southern states that it keeps him from being competitive. It also may be keeping his margins down in some Midwestern states. Thoughts?
Where did the exit poll say "religion of their candidate?" Have a link?
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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I saw this comment from michiganmoon in the official primary thread, and thought it merited it's own discussion:


Now, some may think I'm trying to come up with excuses for Romney. But even I thought his religion wasn't that much of a problem anymore. I figured that many Southern and evangelical voters genuinely (and wrongly) believed he wasn't conservative enough. But this evidence, which can be seen in any exit polls, makes it sound as if their only problem with him is his faith.

Now, I think everybody would have thought this question was a no-brainer a few years ago, but we don't seem to hear about Romney's religion as much anymore and I thought we'd mostly moved past it. I figured many Romney-opponents in the GOP would happily vote for other staunchly conservative Mormons in spite of personal discomforts with the faith (Chaffetz, Glenn Beck, Mike Lee, etc) and that their opposition to Romney was based purely on his perceived lack of conservatism. I now truly think it is his faith that is keeping him from clinching the nomination. Not an overwhelming opposition, but enough in some Southern states that it keeps him from being competitive. It also may be keeping his margins down in some Midwestern states. Thoughts?
I'd say it's hurting him with some Christians.

In Mormonism Jesus is believed to be the brother of Lucifer.....we all know who Lucifer is.... Satan....The Devil....etc

That's a big hurdle for a lot of belivers.

That's why they are considered a cult by mainstream Christianity.

The Jesus of the Mormon Church : Apologetics research resources

Many don't know this fact and they don't talk about it much ....if at all.

http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/d...other-of-satan-
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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This. ^^ I'm sorry, but it's hard to feel sorry for the moderates in the GOP who are complaining about that the Evangelicals won't get behind Romney. The GOP fostered this bigotry--they used it to get votes and it worked for them for many election cycles. They can't cry about how bigoted their base is now that it's not working for them any longer.

Conservative Republicans have insisted on a religious litmus test for all GOP candidates. Now they have to live with that, and Romney, unfortunately for him, will suffer for it.
As a moderate Republican, I sadly have to agree with you.

That said, polls have indicated that the evangelicals will get behind Romney after he wins the nomination. I posted some links in previous posts on this thread.

As an aside - isn't it ironic that the candidates they're supporting are Catholic?
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I'd say it's hurting him with some Christians.

In Mormonism Jesus is believed to be the brother of Lucifer.....we all know who Lucifer is.... Satan....The Devil....etc

That's a big hurdle for a lot of belivers.

That's why they are considered a cult by mainstream Christianity.

Didn't Mike Huckabee pose a similar question that got a lot of attention? I recall him backpedaling but it looks like these things will once again come to the forefront.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Is Romney's Mormonism hurting him?
Does it matter?
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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As a moderate Republican, I sadly have to agree with you.

That said, polls have indicated that the evangelicals will get behind Romney after he wins the nomination. I posted some links in previous posts on this thread.

As an aside - isn't it ironic that the candidates they're supporting are Catholic?



And the Catholics are supporting Romney...lol. The world has truly gone crazy I guess.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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I'd say it's hurting him with some Christians.

In Mormonism Jesus is believed to be the brother of Lucifer.....we all know who Lucifer is.... Satan....The Devil....etc

That's a big hurdle for a lot of belivers.

That's why they are considered a cult by mainstream Christianity.

The Jesus of the Mormon Church : Apologetics research resources

Many don't know this fact and they don't talk about it much ....if at all.

http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/d...other-of-satan-


I don't believe most LDS would say that is exactly accurate. Why does someone's religion, as long as it is not harmful to others, matter when selecting a leader of the US, which is a country of very diverse beliefs. No one can represent all faiths and really shouldn't even try. That is not what the position is there for really. Do you thing someone of Jewish faith would have the same obstacles?
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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Why does someone's religion, as long as it is not harmful to others, matter when selecting a leader of the US, which is a country of very diverse beliefs. No one can represent all faiths and really shouldn't even try. That is not what the position is there for really. Do you thing someone of Jewish faith would have the same obstacles?
You're right, of course. But you are supporting a party that doesn't agree with that kind of tolerance.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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You're right, of course. But you are supporting a party that doesn't agree with that kind of tolerance.


For the second time this week we agree...I am scared...lol. I agree with your earlier post in this thread also. My thoughts exactly on the religion issue.
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