How can the worst president in the history of mankind get a bounce? What is going on? How can this be? (unemployment, wages)

[MMM05]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

Not being a scholar and not caring to be one...I can say one thing- If I run across something profound that makes sense and through observant proof is verified - through logic..I don't toss it away as some mystic non-sense ...I take heed because there is great wisdom in the writings of the ancients.

I knew someone more scholarly interest would come around and pin point the phrase "God shall send them a strong delusion"......If the critic here wants to call what is obvious "insane ramblings"....so be it...To look at reality and embrace truth is painful and not for the faint of heart..I see what I see and I will quote again "why do you doubt?" Your own God given clear perception?

I am not religious in the traditional sense..but I understand the basic concepts presented by Christ. TRUTH...or as translated REALITY - is one of the most important bases for the faith...to quote again and not from scripture "You can't handle the truth"...

Look around the world and be honest..do people in general and their leadership- have a firm grip on reality?

Is the tool of deception now used more than ever to control? AND most importantly- Those that seek to deceive and some how benefit through deception- truly benefit from deception or is the out come of being a liar NOT of benefit to the liar? It is clear that the liars themselves are delusional.

I would safely say that most of our leadership and those they lead that believe in the deception are insane...or insatana ...Only a delusional fool would believe that people these days are sane....all of the physical evidence that musters itself in the real material world...point through the final results..To the FACT that most are delusional....When the majority is delusional .....the few that are sane are cursed with persecution for simply pointing out what is real and true.

The need those with clear vision but they hate them...it is a conundrum.

To be clear to the random reader of this discussion, I reference the BELOW post which I responded to;

Originally Posted by mb1547

It's never a good idea to try to quote scripture when you've obviously never read much of it--that's how we get bat poop crazy posts like this that try to attribute insane ramblings to God.

2 Thessalonians 2 (King James Version)
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ
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I have studied the scriptures, and can apply this one accurately. Oleg Bach is rather accurate with his basic general point. Perhaps you may NEED to reconsider the ignorant incorrect criticism you have rendered. The above IS God's Word and is being fulfilled. I, personally, would not call The Truth of God....''insane ramblings'' -- obviously, you've never read much of it

I know that is not Wise. [/quote]

[geeoro]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

You are right. Obama is the worst president and anybody can beat him. This will be proven true in November.

This kind of attitude is exactly why Obama will win in November.
We saw this at the Republican Convention............... It was not like most other Republican Conventions as virtually everyone seemed to be so full of hate.
Romney seemed to be a "Guest" at his own convention and the speakers were promoting themselves for 2016, not giving Romney their full support and it showed. The American people could see the dissatisfaction and even though both Conventions were held within a week of each Other, Romney had virtually no bounce.
Obama can in no way be called the worst President and millions know that. The right screaming that he is can only make people feel that they are not credible and just like the last four years are doing and saying ANYTHING to get Obama out................. that is why Obama will win..... because the right now has lost all credibilty.

[geeoro]

If Obama is what the right say he is, the worst President ever and Romney and the Republican party lose in November is that not a clear sign that the Republican party in the eyes of America are worse than the worse?
The Republican party is becoming so out of touch that when Obama wins the election they MUST think and rebuild the party.... another four years of obstructionism will just mean the Republican party will lose in 2016 again.
If the Republican party want to become a serious party then they must think seriously about what they stand for or get out of politics completely.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by geeoro

This kind of attitude is exactly why Obama will win in November.
We saw this at the Republican Convention............... It was not like most other Republican Conventions as virtually everyone seemed to be so full of hate.
Romney seemed to be a "Guest" at his own convention and the speakers were promoting themselves for 2016, not giving Romney their full support and it showed. The American people could see the dissatisfaction and even though both Conventions were held within a week of each Other, Romney had virtually no bounce.
Obama can in no way be called the worst President and millions know that. The right screaming that he is can only make people feel that they are not credible and just like the last four years are doing and saying ANYTHING to get Obama out................. that is why Obama will win..... because the right now has lost all credibilty.

Whether Obama will win depends upon many things. The fact that the RNC convention was noticeably lacking policy details and merely elicited platitudes (e.g. I will create 12 million jobs) resulted in a no-bounce for the GOP. Their convention was filled with people who think the American people hate Obama as much as they do is their Achilles heel.

This is an example of the Republican mind warp:

Public Policy Polling asked voters who they thought deserved more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden: Obama or Romney. 63 percent said Obama, 31 percent weren’t sure, and 6 percent said Romney.

The results for Republican voters were even more astonishing. 38 percent said Obama, 47 percent weren’t sure, and 15 percent said Romney. What the heck is going on?
Do 15% of Ohio Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden? Probably not.

[geeoro]

Why is America now the Country of the "blame game?"
I hate the futile "pointing fingers" that now has engulfed the Country.
Bush wasn't responsible for 9/11 yet there are many who point at Bush as if he was the enemy......... no he wasn't.
Obama is moving the Country out of the worst economic meltdown since the great depression and yet many are pointing at him as if he is the enemy............ no he isn't.
If we continue to fight each other for partisan gain then WE are becoming the problem here and not the solution.
We should all move in the same direction or our internal hatred will destroy America far more than any enemy attack.

[eRayP]

There will be no red states or blue states there will be the United States. geeoro, it is Obama who has used finger pointing to create more division in this country than I have seen in my lifetime. When he fails at the economy, he points his finger at and blames Bush. When he wants more money he points his fingers at people who make 200k or more and creates class warfare. He tells coal companies that they can continue but he will regulate them and put them out of business. He wants to pass a bill and will not give a little and he points his finger and blames republicans then calls them obstructionist. He has done more blaming than any president in our time.

He has created many enemies both Americans and foreigners but his base stand behind him excuse his inability and ineffectiveness and believe his blame game.


But words can powerful and Obama is excellent in delivering words to the people also proving that at the same time words are cheap.

[geeoro]

Originally Posted by eRayP

There will be no red states or blue states there will be the United States. geeoro, it is Obama who has used finger pointing to create more division in this country than I have seen in my lifetime. When he fails at the economy, he points his finger at and blames Bush. When he wants more money he points his fingers at people who make 200k or more and creates class warfare. He tells coal companies that they can continue but he will regulate them and put them out of business. He wants to pass a bill and will not give a little and he points his finger and blames republicans then calls them obstructionist. He has done more blaming than any president in our time.
So it is ALL Obama?
NO it isn't. Both sides are accusing the other side. It's about time here that when a President is elected then WE ALL do everything in our power to move forward instead of just looking at the next election.
Deregulation was a major factor for the recession and going back to deregulation will be disastrous.
Anyone who feels they are not earning enough at $250,000 a year needs to rethink what they are doing?
No matter what your wealth.... everyone should pay the same amount of tax..... period.
The middle class and poor do NOT hate the wealthy for having money but they hate the wealthy for becoming wealthy at the cost of the rest of America. Division is not because of Obama but because of the now huge divide caused by corruption and greed....... American's do not care how wealthy people get but they hate being destroyed just to create a "elitist class"
Obama has constantly tried to reach bi partisan agreement and Congress has not now got the lowest approval ratings ever for a good reason...... Obstruction.
He has created many enemies both Americans and foreigners but his base stand behind him excuse his inability and ineffectiveness and believe his blame game.
I often hear the rhetoric here that Obama has created enemies abroad.......... no he hasn't. I travel abroad and i know how the World looks at Obama and i know how America has gained respect from Europe, Israel etc etc.
The lies about Obama's standing on the World stage are so wrong.............. Israel has openly said that Obama is a good President for Israel and the complete opposite of what some are saying here.
If you think that Obama is the only one using the Blame game then i suggest you take off your "partisan goggles".


But words can powerful and Obama is excellent in delivering words to the people also proving that at the same time words are cheap.

Words have power and i can see how they are used here effectivey because most American's only know what they are told by both sides and have no idea of how the World actually works.
"Socialism" is one such word................. i hear so much rubbish about 'socialism" here from many who don't even know what it is or how it works............ many don't even know the difference between "Socialism" and "Communism" ..... how sad.
Words here are often the only thing that Many American's have to form their opinions and the truth often flies out the window but too many here have NO ability to know what is true or false as they have zero experience of the outside world to be able to know what is fact and what is fiction......... just partisan hysteria.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by eRayP

There will be no red states or blue states there will be the United States. geeoro, it is Obama who has used finger pointing to create more division in this country than I have seen in my lifetime. When he fails at the economy, he points his finger at and blames Bush. When he wants more money he points his fingers at people who make 200k or more and creates class warfare. He tells coal companies that they can continue but he will regulate them and put them out of business. He wants to pass a bill and will not give a little and he points his finger and blames republicans then calls them obstructionist. He has done more blaming than any president in our time.

He has created many enemies both Americans and foreigners but his base stand behind him excuse his inability and ineffectiveness and believe his blame game.

But words can powerful and Obama is excellent in delivering words to the people also proving that at the same time words are cheap.

The way some 'wingers torture semantics to fit their ideology continues to amaze me! So now any time Obama disagrees with the GOP or holds them accountable, then he's guilty of blaming them?! Which means whenever the GOP disagrees with Obama, then they're doing what, exactly...?

BTW, remind us again how the party of "birthers", and calling the POTUS a liar, uppity, socialist, muslim, Kenyan, etc.... is supposed to be "uniting" us?! Not to mention the little matter of all those folks that y'all seem to love to hate, simply for being "not like us" (homa-sekchules, lib-ruls, illegals, feminazis, atheists, humanists, educated elites, socialists, OWS brats, or all those crazy scientists who believe in stuff like man-made global warming, evolution and other “fancy theories”)!

Oh yeah, the GOP is sure a bunch of "uniters" these days, or like comedian Jon Stewart says, "Republicans love their country... they just hate half the people in it!"

[A&M_Indie_08]

Originally Posted by mateo45

The way some of 'wingers torture semantics to fit their ideology continues to amaze me! So now any time Obama disagrees with the GOP, he's guilty of blaming them?! Which means whenever the GOP disagrees with Obama, then they're doing what, exactly...?

BTW, remind us again how the party of "birthers", and calling the POTUS a liar, uppity, socialist, muslim, Kenyan, etc.... is supposed to be "uniting" us?! Not to mention the little matter of all those folks that y'all seem to love to hate, simply for being "not like us" (homa-sekchules, lib-ruls, illegals, feminazis, educated elites, socialists, OWS brats, or all those crazy scientists who believe in man-made global warming, evolution and other “fancy theories”)!

What a vivid imagination..... should we review all the names you and your ilk call Republicans?

Didn't think so with your usual selective outrage....

[Stone28]

The republican party is in almost complete disarray. The nominee is hated amoung the party.

Did anyone hear Rush Limbore remarks yesterday or laura Ingrum.....I'll sum it up....If they lose this election, its over for the republican party.

Lets be honest Mitts a nice guy nobody is going to argue that. But he's in way over his head. He's making to many mistakes that should have been avoided.