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Doesn't surpirse me that this board puts Biden as the winner, there are some hard core conservatives here, but for the most part I think a lot of people are left leaning here or centrists.
No one cares about Libya, but Republicans will keep playing that string until Nov 7th.
Its the economy stupid. All last night, Biden kept pivoting to the economy and 47%. Ryan had tough questions he could have pivoted back to the economy on, but he didn't.
After 12 years of war, people are numb to foreign stuff. Its a hidden war, hidden crap going overseas, Republicans can think Bush for that attitude. People swallowed wars for 8 years, so its been easier to swallow for the last 4.
After 12 years of war, people are numb to foreign stuff. Its a hidden war, hidden crap going overseas, Republicans can think Bush for that attitude. People swallowed wars for 8 years, so its been easier to swallow for the last 4.
Its all about the economy.
Not to mention, but if ROMney+ryAN think staying in Afghanistan for a few more years, or invading other countries in the ME will make a difference, they just don't know history.
To make ANY kind of change in those populations and how they think, we'd have to stay there for at least 50 years, if not longer, essentially running their countries and educating their children for two generations, or more.
Anything less is just a waste of lives, money, and time.
Too busy watching Biden laughing and being rude. Not very presidential and I didn't appreciate the rudeness. I wonder what the Muslim Brotherhood would do if he did that to them. Thump
Well, you condone lies and misinformation. No wonder why you'd be upset at Biden. I would have been disgusted at lies and misinformation on that stage as well. Sample: (while making excuses to oppose commitment to withdraw troops from Afghanistan)
Ryan:“We don’t want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less [by announcing a withdrawal timeline for Afghanistan].”
Biden:“That’s a bizarre statement. .. Forty-nine of our allies — hear me — 49 of our allies signed on to this position.”
Call it rude. I call it using facts to put an idiot down to where he really belongs (that is in the hearts of the typical who would take anything from such idiots).
After 12 years of war, people are numb to foreign stuff.
Disagree. After 12 years of war, and specifically war on the credit card, people are SICK of foreign entanglements. Rand Paul adeptly represented this sentiment in his recent comments about Romeny's foreign policy speech, and Rand Paul SUPPORTS Romney. It's really a handful of old fogey neo-cons who pull many of the strings that keep insisting on Republican nominees extending America's military to every corner of the globe further and further and on a more and more permanent basis, AND spending way more on defense than the military even wants or asks for or says it takes to get the job done.
That's why when you hear just about anybody talk about reducing spending in the national political arena, you can't half trust what they're saying because some people simply want to increase entitlement spending as much as they can and others simply want to increase defense spending as much as they can. But after 12 years of war, the American military is saying we don't NEED that much money, neo-conservative impirialists, and the American citizen is saying we don't NEED all these foreign entanglements, neo-conservative imperialists. And even a few rational Republicans have been wising up and saying the same thing.
Disagree. After 12 years of war, and specifically war on the credit card, people are SICK of foreign entanglements. Rand Paul adeptly represented this sentiment in his recent comments about Romeny's foreign policy speech, and Rand Paul SUPPORTS Romney. It's really a handful of old fogey neo-cons who pull many of the strings that keep insisting on Republican nominees extending America's military to every corner of the globe further and further and on a more and more permanent basis, AND spending way more on defense than the military even wants or asks for or says it takes to get the job done.
That's why when you hear just about anybody talk about reducing spending in the national political arena, you can't half trust what they're saying because some people simply want to increase entitlement spending as much as they can and others simply want to increase defense spending as much as they can. But after 12 years of war, the American military is saying we don't NEED that much money, neo-conservative impirialists, and the American citizen is saying we don't NEED all these foreign entanglements, neo-conservative imperialists. And even a few rational Republicans have been wising up and saying the same thing.
Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company. Sept. 21-24, 2012. N=1,007 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.1. "Which of the following do you see as the most important issue facing the country right now? Unemployment and jobs. The federal deficit. Health care. Gas prices. The situation in the Middle East. Taxes. Immigration. Terrorism." Options rotated
%Unemployment and jobs 43
Federal deficit 14
Health care 11
Gas prices 7
Situation in the Middle East 6
Taxes 4
Immigration 3
Terrorism 3
Other (vol.) 4
Doesn't surpirse me that this board puts Biden as the winner, there are some hard core conservatives here, but for the most part I think a lot of people are left leaning here or centrists.
No one cares about Libya, but Republicans will keep playing that string until Nov 7th.
Its the economy stupid. All last night, Biden kept pivoting to the economy and 47%. Ryan had tough questions he could have pivoted back to the economy on, but he didn't.
After 12 years of war, people are numb to foreign stuff. Its a hidden war, hidden crap going overseas, Republicans can think Bush for that attitude. People swallowed wars for 8 years, so its been easier to swallow for the last 4.
Its all about the economy.
Eh. I don't know about that. I think the prospect of a full scale Iraqi-type military escalation will certainly give some people pause. The U.S. is not currently engaged in any military operations on that scale, so I don't think we can really say that the American people would simply "swallow" a new war in the Middle East.
Eh. I don't know about that. I think the prospect of a full scale Iraqi-type military escalation will certainly give some people pause. The U.S. is not currently engaged in any military operations on that scale, so I don't think we can really say that the American people would simply "swallow" a new war in the Middle East.
Look, the daily Presidential tracking polls are about useless.
Want to see what people are thinking, look at the voting priority polls. Fox, Bloomberg, Rasmussen, NBC, everyone agrees,
Its the economy.
Afghanistan doesn't even show up on the list, and terrorism and Libya are around 5%.
Its all the economy and jobs, thats what this election started on, thats what it'll be decided on Nov 6. And as long as the unemployment numbers are at 7.8%, Romney will try and shift it to Libya, but people don't care.
Call it rude. I call it using facts to put an idiot down to where he really belongs (that is in the hearts of the typical who would take anything from such idiots).
We also had a timetable and an orderly drawdown of troops in Iraq. And then we went out and killed Osama bin Laden. And overthrew Ghadaffi. And somehow we communicated our "weakness" to the international community? C'mon, man.
Look, the daily Presidential tracking polls are about useless.
Want to see what people are thinking, look at the voting priority polls. Fox, Bloomberg, Rasmussen, NBC, everyone agrees,
Its the economy.
Afghanistan doesn't even show up on the list, and terrorism and Libya are around 5%.
Its all the economy and jobs, thats what this election started on, thats what it'll be decided on Nov 6. And as long as the unemployment numbers are at 7.8%, Romney will try and shift it to Libya, but people don't care.
I'm not saying the economy doesn't matter. I'm saying that Biden put a neglected issue on the table--the Iran War--which will make some people think twice before casting a vote for Romney.
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