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Old 10-17-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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5Million huh ? You really going to buy that ? Next you will be telling us 16 trillion $ debt is a good thing
because it could be soooo much worse, right ?

$16T in debt...never a good thing. But the other alternative, the one that Republican's and Romney/Ryan want would have been MASSIVE continued job losses, a collapse to the financial system, the strangulation of our fiscal health and the implosion of the country.

It would have been exactly what Republican's have been trying to engineer for the past 35 years.

So yeah, your right...it could have been SOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse. And it will be if Romney and the RWNJ extremists get elected to finish their assassination of the country.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The government should just hire everyone, why can't they?

Do any of you guys use common sense or logic?

How hard is it to see that the government robs from producers to pay for all the pet projects and regulations that add red tape to the economy?
This makes no sense.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is not surprising that Romney and his nuts prefer villifying the institution of government, and using "the villain" to promote their personal agenda, and of their friends, lords and overlords.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The government should just hire everyone, why can't they?

Do any of you guys use common sense or logic?
Certainly not the kind you demonstrate here. Tell me why should government just hire everyone? Is that Romney's plan when claiming that he will create 12 million jobs?
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Mr. Romney will claim any and anything in order to sell America his snow job. He makes low end used car salesmen look honest and virtuous. That takes a lot of falsifying his history and hiding his goal to BAIN America.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Trickle down theory was Reaganomics, actually, and was a big part of his platform. George Bush, Sr. called it 'Voodoo economics' and he distanced himself from Reagan's policies in his election.

With that out of the way, Mitt Romney is not Reagan - And I don't mean that as an insult. Mitt Romney is a technocrat. He's a problem solver who uses existing tools to resolve issues.

The US issue right now is that manufacturing has been bleeding away from American make for decades, now. That reduces US military and middle class might. Mitt Romney is seeking a way to bring back manufacturing - Every one of his gaffes with regards to the middle class has been based on this fact. Let Detroit go broke? With bailout after bailout, Detroit is hemorrhaging both jobs and hope. The entitlement mindset of the area has created a no-man's land where business fears to tread. 47%? There's the entitlement mindset again.

I don't know if there's a solution to those problems, but Mitt Romney believes there is and I believe Mitt Romney and am willing to give him a chance.
Manufacturing alone WILL NEVER bring America back. American's can't produce enough at low enough prices to compete in the market. Your assertion would mean that like in China and in Socialist countries the Gov't would have to subsidize the production, consumption and fix the price(s) of those manufactured goods in order to be competitive with the market.

So, you're saying you want Socialist manufacturing? Your entire premise falls apart there, as you say Mitt's main goal is to bring that back...of course after being the one to help ship them overseas in the first place...but Mitt's ideas are never followed through to the end game and that's why they fail.

And if that's what you consider an entitlement mindset...thinking the problem ALL the way through to the end, for a best solution not a quick flash in the pan answer. It'll put myself in that 47%. With the rest of the Soldiers, and elderly who made this country great, those who want America to succeed and with those who actually need a hand to make it after their jobs and lively-hood were cut out from them and their communities by people like Mitt Romney.

There's a mindset at work there for sure...but it's not one America cotton's to or embraces. But it's good to see who does. Those who support Mitt Romney.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So what's the problem? taxes have been cut...no jobs. Restrictions have been lessened, and even the option of the burden of providing health care has been put into the equation....no jobs.

Private sector...no to little growth...except for those 5MM jobs that have been created.

It's really not rocket science. With Republican obstructionism there will be little to no growth. The Republican's WANT America to fail. They've been attacking it since the early 80's.
The problem with your theory is you neglect to mention the 10MM jobs that have gone POOF!
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Romney has claimed often, "I'll create 12 Million Jobs", yet in tonight's debate he was emphatic -

ROMNEY: Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs. Source

Interesting.

That's what is so laughable about the whole GOP party platform and what's so sad about the idiocy and gullibility of their supporters.

So if Government does not create jobs, why is the GOP blaming Obama for not creating them?
If government does not create jobs, how is the GOP going to create them?

Then again, Romney has never been known for sticking to a position. Maybe he believed that government creates jobs until Obama made the statement and convinced him that it actually does not.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Knightsbridge
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Manufacturing alone WILL NEVER bring America back. American's can't produce enough at low enough prices to compete in the market. Your assertion would mean that like in China and in Socialist countries the Gov't would have to subsidize the production, consumption and fix the price(s) of those manufactured goods in order to be competitive with the market.

So, you're saying you want Socialist manufacturing? Your entire premise falls apart there, as you say Mitt's main goal is to bring that back...of course after being the one to help ship them overseas in the first place...but Mitt's ideas are never followed through to the end game and that's why they fail.

And if that's what you consider an entitlement mindset...thinking the problem ALL the way through to the end, for a best solution not a quick flash in the pan answer. It'll put myself in that 47%. With the rest of the Soldiers, and elderly who made this country great, those who want America to succeed and with those who actually need a hand to make it after their jobs and lively-hood were cut out from them and their communities by people like Mitt Romney.

There's a mindset at work there for sure...but it's not one America cotton's to or embraces. But it's good to see who does. Those who support Mitt Romney.
I see. Would you say that I believe in socialist manufacturing?

Perhaps you could tell me what you mean about America 'succeeding' as well? Since I can divine that you don't mean bringing manufacturing back to the US, based on your post, perhaps you could be a bit clearer on what you mean by America 'succeeding'.

Also, can I assume you vote Republican based upon your 'I stand with the elderly and soldiers who made this country great'?

Since the military and the elderly vote Republican very significantly more than Democrat, is that a fair assumption on my part, or did you mean you stand beside them, but don't share their views on their own situation?

Military vote softens but doesn't shift - politics | NBC News

- 57% self-identify as Republican, 13% as Democrat for the military.

Demographics of How Groups Voted in the 2008 Presidential Election

And of the elderly, 53% voted for John McCain and 45% voted for Obama in the last election, where Obama won overwhelmingly.


I'm a bit confused and hoping you'll clarify. You seem to suggest you don't support manufacturing, but want America to succeed, then you suggest you're standing with the soldiers and the elderly, just not in the sense that you're voting the same way they do on issues that affect them.

Could you clear up what you mean by America succeeding and standing with a group that you clearly disagree with their own desires political wishes on?
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The US issue right now is that manufacturing has been bleeding away from American make for decades, now.
And yet, this "problem solver" you believe in, would prefer to be dishonest about it and claim it has basically been due to Obama's policies. Why lie, when you have ideas that were never implemented since the 1980s when the bleeding accelerated? Perhaps because his "problem solving" utilized that bleeding for success?
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