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Old 11-04-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Ok, here's a GREAT example of democrat pollster PPP and just how they're willing to destroy what little credibility they have left;

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._PAWI_1103.pdf

Obama up 6 in PA...but they think the electorate will be 48% DEMS, 38% Reps, 14% other.

Now....in 2008, when every rock was turned over for every last left/dem vote.....democrats comprised...42% of electorate.

In other words, in this poll, the pollster is deceptively hiding FACT Romney is actually leading.

Remember, the GOP SWEPT up in PA in 2010.

Last edited by sanrene; 11-04-2012 at 12:54 PM.. Reason: WI not PA..back to PA

 
Old 11-04-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Green Onions View Post
The white, non-hispanic portion of the population has dropped from 65% in 2008 to 63% in 2012.

Similarly, the black/asian/hispanic (of all races)/other share of the population has increased from 35% to 37% in that same time span.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2012/05/01-race-elections-frey

63 is 97% of 65.
37 is 106% of 35.

What this means is that the white share of the vote has to increase 3% and the non-white share of the vote has to decrease 6% just to get the voting ratios back to where they were in 2008.

When has the Presidential vote gotten whiter than the previous Presidential election?

Here is the share of the electorate, by race, over the past 20 years:

WHITE, NON-HISPANIC
1992 - 87%
1996 - 83%
2000 - 81%
2004 - 77%
2008 - 74%

BLACK
1992 - 8%
1996 - 10%
2000 - 10%
2004 - 11%
2008 - 13%

HISPANIC
1992 - 2%
1996 - 5%
2000 - 7%
2004 - 8%
2008 - 9%

A lot of Republicans seem to be clinging to this idea that the jump in non-white voting as a share of the electorate in 2008 (and the corresponding dip in the white share of the electorate) is a one-time thing that only happened because of the then-Senator Obama's race. Not so. It's a long-term trend.

Anyone who thinks the white share is going to actually increase this election is dreaming. I think most Republican demographers who actually know the numbers would be ecstatic if it just stayed static. But that's not going to happen, either.
How many are legally qualified to vote? I know such issues mean nothing to Dems but I suspect they would impact the percentages of actual electorate. Also in order for you race based analysis to work you'd have to assume static support among the races. Thus no whites ever switched from Dem to GOP.

Another flaw part of the diversification occurs because of younger voters every four years a new group of 18-22 year olds vote. There is little indication this group will rise to the same levels of their older cohort did in '08. In fact the opposite may occur.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Ok, here's a GREAT example of democrat pollster PPP and just how they're willing to destroy what little credibility they have left;

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._PAWI_1103.pdf

Obama up 6 in PA...but they think the electorate will be 48% DEMS, 38% Reps, 14% other.

Now....in 2008, when every rock was turned over for every last left/dem vote.....democrats comprised...42% of electorate.

In other words, in this poll, the pollster is deceptively hiding FACT Romney is actually leading.

Remember, the GOP SWEPT up in PA in 2010.
I played around with PPP's breakdown based on party ID and applied it to 2004,2008 party ID breakout and you see very quickly how Obama can lose PA. Quite easily actually.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Ok, here's a GREAT example of democrat pollster PPP and just how they're willing to destroy what little credibility they have left;

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._PAWI_1103.pdf

Obama up 6 in PA...but they think the electorate will be 48% DEMS, 38% Reps, 14% other.

Now....in 2008, when every rock was turned over for every last left/dem vote.....democrats comprised...42% of electorate.

In other words, in this poll, the pollster is deceptively hiding FACT Romney is actually leading.

Remember, the GOP SWEPT up in PA in 2010.
If you remember the GOP was all about jobs in 2010 and that is why they got in. You know how that turned out when they instead started attacking women.

You can pick and choose any poll you like but RCP has Obama up +3.9 in PA.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Ok, here's a GREAT example of democrat pollster PPP and just how they're willing to destroy what little credibility they have left;

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._PAWI_1103.pdf

Obama up 6 in PA...but they think the electorate will be 48% DEMS, 38% Reps, 14% other.

Now....in 2008, when every rock was turned over for every last left/dem vote.....democrats comprised...42% of electorate.

In other words, in this poll, the pollster is deceptively hiding FACT Romney is actually leading.

Remember, the GOP SWEPT up in PA in 2010.
And is every other single pollster doing the same thing? The closest Romney has come in PA in the past two months is tying one poll - a poll done by a pollster that also had the only poll this year showing Romney with a lead.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Pennsylvania: Romney vs. Obama

Like I said before, you guys only post two types of polls:

1. Polls that show Romney surprisingly ahead in states where every other poll says something else.

2. Polls where you think that the methodology is flawed, and therefore Romney will win.

You never look at the consensus of polls. Which is why you will be the one weeping late Tuesday night.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Originally Posted by EdwardA View Post
How many are legally qualified to vote? I know such issues mean nothing to Dems but I suspect they would impact the percentages of actual electorate. Also in order for you race based analysis to work you'd have to assume static support among the races. Thus no whites ever switched from Dem to GOP.
Feel free to read my post again, where I discuss the ratios of the electorate, not the ratios of the populace at large.

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Another flaw part of the diversification occurs because of younger voters every four years a new group of 18-22 year olds vote. There is little indication this group will rise to the same levels of their older cohort did in '08. In fact the opposite may occur.
Right, right. Feel to look at the increase from 2008 to 2004, and note that it is very consistent with the three incremental increases preceding it. Or keep clicking your heels and insisting that this time, somehow, just maybe, because you really want it to be so -- it might be different!

In fact, feel free to read to next-to-last paragraph again (provided here for your ignoring pleasure! ):
A lot of Republicans seem to be clinging to this idea that the jump in non-white voting as a share of the electorate in 2008 (and the corresponding dip in the white share of the electorate) is a one-time thing that only happened because of the then-Senator Obama's race. Not so. It's a long-term trend.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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National polls are moving toward reality: Obama up +3 in Pew now.
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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National polls are moving toward reality: Obama up +3 in Pew now.
Pew had them tied a week ago. I would also add that the President drew a crowd of 14,000 in Concord, N.H. today. I don't think Katy was there.


New Pew poll shows Obama in lead as he and Mitt Romney make final push toward Election Day - The Washington Post
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: 44.9800° N, 93.2636° W
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You OVERSAMPLING DEMOCRATS people are sort of dense. Here's how it works:

They ask the caller what party they align with. They dont decide HEY ONLY CALL DEMOCRATS OR CALL LESS REPUBLICANS
 
Old 11-04-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by tigerlily View Post
Pew had them tied a week ago. I would also add that the President drew a crowd of 14,000 in Concord, N.H. today. I don't think Katy was there.


New Pew poll shows Obama in lead as he and Mitt Romney make final push toward Election Day - The Washington Post
Really big sample size in the Pew poll, too. Obama at 50% and outside of the MoE.
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