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Old 02-03-2015, 10:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You can LOL and condescendingly call it 'priceless,' all you like, but Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 out of the last 6 elections, so it's not exactly like they have a lot of expertise in how to win.

Trying to beat Democrats at their own game isn't working either.
The nation is trending Conservative.
We need another non-establishment Reagan moment.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Trying to beat Democrats at their own game isn't working either.
The nation is trending Conservative.
We need another non-establishment Reagan moment.
Land is trending more conservative, not voters. In presidential elections, the Democrats pick up a bigger number of voters, and people registering to vote tends to be dominated by the Democrats, not the Republicans.

Of course you could say that Conservative voters are voting less for the Republicans, but I don't see the Conservative Party gaining any traction in elections.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:57 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Reagan was establishment in action; he signed many tax hikes that virtually offset his tax cuts. He never used political capital on Roe v Wade.

Had he truly been conservative, he does not win POTUS.

Morning in America-in tone, a Socialist sounding theme of a campaign. Must have been Mondale..oops, it was Saint Ronny.

This nation consistently ELECTS the most moderate choice of the 2 main options. It has not elected the most radical option, left or right, for decades now. Carter was far left of today's Dems, leaving Ronnie the middle.

GOP problem now is with Dems many steps right of Carter (from BC's trade deals and Welfare Reform to Obama signing Bush tax cuts in as permanent law), the Dems co-opted the center. And we as a nation elect he/she closest to the center.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Land is trending more conservative, not voters. In presidential elections, the Democrats pick up a bigger number of voters, and people registering to vote tends to be dominated by the Democrats, not the Republicans.

Of course you could say that Conservative voters are voting less for the Republicans, but I don't see the Conservative Party gaining any traction in elections.

Of 50 states, how many have a conservative Governor and Attorney General?
How many Conservatives sit in the US House of representatives?
Didn't the US Senate recently have a historical change of the guard?



Land? Of coarse Land doesn't vote. That would be idiotic to even think.

There is a very good reason, we are called The United STATES of America, and not just America.
I'll be the first to say. I'm more loyal to my state, than I will ever be to the Union.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Of 50 states, how many have a conservative Governor and Attorney General?
How many Conservatives sit in the US House of representatives?
Didn't the US Senate recently have a historical change of the guard?



Land? Of coarse Land doesn't vote. That would be idiotic to even think.

There is a very good reason, we are called The United STATES of America, and not just America.
I'll be the first to say. I'm more loyal to my state, than I will ever be to the Union.
We have different electorates that show up in a midterm and Presidential years. In midterms the electorate is more conservative, in a Presidential year it isn't.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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Bingo, Enigma777. When it comes to POTUS, what the GOP has been doing long-term is not working, and they should be looking for anything that could help their cause.

The GOP have split 2-2 with the Democrats in the last 4 Presidential elections.......they have the majority of the governorships and state legislatures and have the majority in the house and senate.


I say they are doing a lot better than Democrats, don't you think?
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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We have different electorates that show up in a midterm and Presidential years. In midterms the electorate is more conservative, in a Presidential year it isn't.


maybe the country doesn't like the democrats in control of the state's and national budget and want a figurehead as the POTUS that they personally like.


How else can you explain the Republicans controlling the majority of the governorships and state legislatures and on the federal side they control the house and senate? ......they basically don't trust a democrat to have full control in Washington and definitely don't like the democrats with their tax hikes running their state.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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maybe the country doesn't like the democrats in control of the state's and national budget and want a figurehead as the POTUS that they personally like.


How else can you explain the Republicans controlling the majority of the governorships and state legislatures and on the federal side they control the house and senate? ......they basically don't trust a democrat to have full control in Washington and definitely don't like the democrats with their tax hikes running their state.

Different electorates. The GOP picked up a bunch of seats in the Senate and Governor's races in the midterms. In Presidential years they haven't had the same success at the Senate seats at Governor's seats.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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Different electorates. The GOP picked up a bunch of seats in the Senate and Governor's races in the midterms. In Presidential years they haven't had the same success at the Senate seats at Governor's seats.

because Presidential elections are a popularity contest of 2 people. The person who is more likeable wins, that's why Mondale, Dukakis, Dole, Gore, Kerry, Mccain and Romney were not Presidents. That's why I said the POTUS is mostly a figurehead.


explain the majority of the governorships and legislatures of the nation?.....different electorate there too?
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:19 AM
 
Location: MPLS
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"If [it] were true [that Romney carried the independent vote], he would be dining in the Whitehouse tonight.

The independent vote decides elections."
No, increasingly, it doesn't. Sure, a substantial share of voters describe themselves as "independent," but most are liars who show a discernible partisan lean in the privacy of the voting booth. Mitt Romney won independents 50% - 45%, but they represented only 29% of the electorate. Republicans and Democrats were equally loyal to their respective parties, but whereas Republicans were 32% of the electorate, Democrats were 38% -- which accounts for Romney winning independents but losing the election.

Source: President Exit Polls - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com
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