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Old 09-15-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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I don't get the Trump fanaticism. What he is saying can be said by anyone. It means nothing without a foundation of past actions to support it. It's just words. Every slick politician does the very same thing.

In his life what has Donald Trump done for the benefit of anyone but himself? What in his history validates the words he speaks on the campaign trail?

 
Old 09-15-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and a radical far left nutjob. I am sorry, but I hope this is okay with you that this is just my own humble opinion.
Is there anything you have to support your opinion? Just curious.
 
Old 09-15-2015, 08:26 PM
 
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I don't get the Trump fanaticism. What he is saying can be said by anyone. It means nothing without a foundation of past actions to support it. It's just words. Every slick politician does the very same thing.

In his life what has Donald Trump done for the benefit of anyone but himself? What in his history validates the words he speaks on the campaign trail?
Trump's popular for many of the SAME reasons that Obama was back in 2008: "fresh blood" in that the Bushes and Clintons of the world are stale and, need to be sent packing into history with the Kennedys.
 
Old 09-15-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Is there anything you have to support your opinion? Just curious.
Him being the socialist is not my opinion,

but I will try to explain the nutjob part.

A very wise women once said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

His agenda includes an estimated $15 trillion for a government-run health-care program that covers every American, plus large sums to rebuild roads and bridges, expand Social Security and make tuition free at public colleges.

To pay for it, Mr. Sanders, has so far detailed tax increases that could bring in as much as $6.5 trillion over 10 years, according to his staff.

I read the above on the internet I don't remember the sources. I have been following him for sometimes, and I just cannot agree with him on almost everything.

He is appealing to a lot of people, I get that. He sounds like a genuinely nice guy who wants to do nice things for people, I get that too. But his plan is unrealistic to say the least.
 
Old 09-15-2015, 08:46 PM
 
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Him being the socialist is not my opinion,

but I will try to explain the nutjob part.

A very wise women once said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

His agenda includes an estimated $15 trillion for a government-run health-care program that covers every American, plus large sums to rebuild roads and bridges, expand Social Security and make tuition free at public colleges.

To pay for it, Mr. Sanders, has so far detailed tax increases that could bring in as much as $6.5 trillion over 10 years, according to his staff.

I read the above on the internet I don't remember the sources. I have been following him for sometimes, and I just cannot agree with him on almost everything.

He is appealing to a lot of people, I get that. He sounds like a genuinely nice guy who wants to do nice things for people, I get that too. But his plan is unrealistic to say the least.
You seem to agree with him on many core issues. He has done a fantastic job for veterans (ask any veterans organization), he was always against NAFTA which threw the American worker out on the streets and sent the jobs to Mexico (and later China), (99% of the political establishment on both democrat and republican side supported it), he is against the TPP, he supports the middle class and believe Wall Street should pay back some of the enormous damage they did to the average American taxpayer, he wants to break up the biggest Wall St banks that prey on the taxpayer (too big to fail), he supports getting money out of politics so that America once again can have a true democracy, not a corrupt plutocracy.

You dont like a medicare-for-all system because it costs too much? It is far cheaper than the current system we have today which costs us $42 trillion over that same 10 year period. Most medicare-for-all systems cost roughly HALF of what Americans pay every year. That's why people like Donald Trump always supported it. That's why every single rich country has it. Its just common sense.

Take the expansion of social security. A very large majority of republican voters believe that social security should be expanded.
According to opinion polls, Bernie Sanders' policies are supported by the majority of the people, he is about as "radical, far left" as that republican Dwight D Eisenhower was.

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Old 09-15-2015, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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You seem to agree with him on many core issues. He has done a fantastic job for veterans, he was always against NAFTA which threw the American worker out on the streets and sent the jobs to China, (99% of the political establishment on both democrat and republican side supported it), he is against the TPP, he supports the middle class and believe Wall Street should pay back some of the enormous damage they did to the average American taxpayer, he wants to break up the biggest Wall St banks that prey on the taxpayer (too big to fail), he supports getting money out of politics so that America once again can have a true democracy, not a corrupt plutocracy.

You dont like a medicare-for-all system because it costs too much? It is far cheaper than the current system we have today which costs us $42 trillion over that same 10 year period. Most medicare-for-all systems cost roughly HALF of what Americans pay every year. That's why people like Donald Trump always supported it. That's why every single rich country has it. Its just common sense.

He is about as "radical, far left" as that republican Dwight D Eisenhower was.
I do agree with him on many core issues and so do many Americans. I am not a middle class myself but I do believe a strong middle class equals a strong America.

I never said that I don't support an universal health plan, I am only saying his plan is unrealistic.

Bernie Sanders love has become so overwhelming that some have even claimed that he could be the next FDR. It’s a bold claim for a candidate who has yet to get elected—let alone participate in a campaign debate.

He is offering the promise of hope that comes without paying a price.

Even if he doesn’t earn the Democratic nomination or get elected, his message of government socialism and attacks on capitalism plant the seeds in weak, illogical minds.
 
Old 09-15-2015, 09:02 PM
 
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I do agree with him on many core issues and so do many Americans. I am not a middle class myself but I do believe a strong middle class equals a strong America.

I never said that I don't support an universal health plan, I am only saying his plan is unrealistic.

Bernie Sanders love has become so overwhelming that some have even claimed that he could be the next FDR. It’s a bold claim for a candidate who has yet to get elected—let alone participate in a campaign debate.

He is offering the promise of hope that comes without paying a price.

Even if he doesn’t earn the Democratic nomination or get elected, his message of government socialism and attacks on capitalism plant the seeds in weak, illogical minds.

He has yet to reveal his own universal health care plan, so do not dismiss his plan before he has even presented it.

His message is the same message the Republican Eisenhower sent when he was the president. People should be allowed to make money, but we also need a strong social safety net, responsible banking and proper regulation to make sure corporate elites do not hijack the economy and crash it. The price Americans have paid for this 40 year flirtation with Reaganomics and deregulation is enormous. America is turning into a plutocracy, and most American agree with Bernie Sanders. I think you and Bernie Sanders have a lot of common ground. The best part about Bernie Sanders is that he is able to bring conservatives and deeply religious christians together with progressives and forge a strong alliance for a better society.
 
Old 09-15-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thank you.

I agree with him

1. middle class is shrinking
2. job is going overseas
3. income inequality.
4. shouldn't be charging veterans for health care

But I cannot agree with his solutions. Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and a radical far left nutjob. I am sorry, but I hope this is okay with you that this is just my own humble opinion.

I cannot vote for somebody I don't agree with. =(
Veterans are entitled to Workers Comp for work related injuries, no different than employees in 49 states.

Why should a vet be entitled to more?

The backlog at some VA facilities are for non- service related medical attention.

( My husband is a Vietnam vet)
 
Old 09-15-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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He has yet to reveal his own universal health care plan, so do not dismiss his plan before he has even presented it.

His message is the same message the Republican Eisenhower sent when he was the president. People should be allowed to make money, but we also need a strong social safety net, responsible banking and proper regulation to make sure corporate elites do not hijack the economy and crash it. The price Americans have paid for this 40 year flirtation with Reaganomics and deregulation is enormous. America is turning into a plutocracy, and most American agree with Bernie Sanders. I think you and Bernie Sanders have a lot of common ground. The best part about Bernie Sanders is that he is able to bring conservatives and deeply religious christians together with progressives and forge a strong alliance for a better society.
Okay. I won't.

I think I just need to support a candidate I am excited about. So far, I am really excited about Donald Trump.

I signed up to help Gary Johnson in the past, and without naming names, I knew a very important person in Libertarian party but that party confuses me, to be completely honest.

I cannot support something I don't fully understand. I like Sanders, but I don't agree with the principles of socialism. That is all. I know British socialism is back, and it seems like the trend, but I don't agree with it and socialism scares me. =(
 
Old 09-15-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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He talked for hour and half last night without notes. Give the man a break. I am telling you it takes steel balls to go to the enemy’s den. Those “protestors” looked awfully menacing to me.
Yes he did. And very little was fresh material.
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