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Old 09-25-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Losing the white rural vote will damage the Democratic vote far less then losing the urban minority votes. The irony is white rural people are far more economically dependent on the Federal government than even urban minorities but the former love to bite the hand that feeds them with farm subsidies and military spending.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:27 AM
 
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Some working-class whites are union, so Democrats do have part of that demographic.
Many union voters are Republican.

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And it's not so cut-and-dried with white, rural voters. It depends on what their priorities are. For some, the Republicans win on the list of priorities, for others, the Democrats win.
And the Democratic priorities have been antagonistic towards rural people for years.

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I have more of a problem with the attitude of superiority that many urban people seem to have, than a problem with political attitudes.
The issue is that urban attitude has become the mainstream of the Democratic Party, especially in the age of Barak "they are religious people clinging to their guns" Obama.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:28 AM
 
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If you believe the latter part of that statement, then you aren't very good at basic (electoral) math.

Yes, because the math dictates that if every rural state elects Republicans to the Senate the Democrats will still have a majority...oh...wait....
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:30 AM
 
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That is the funny thing, if voting was mandatory in this country, then elections would look much differently than they do today, and parties that weren't the main two would actually hold some federal seats in DC.

Mandatory voting is as bad as voter suppression. If someone doesn't want to be a part of the process, they should not be forced to be part of the process.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:38 AM
 
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What's untrue? The white non-college vote is shrinking by 3 to 4% every four year POTUS cycle while college whites and the minority groups are filling the void. That's been going on for over 20 years and will continue because the white non-college voters are disproportionately older. It doesn't necessarily mean that that change will favor the Democrats, but it does mean that the GOP has to do better with either white college voters or minority voters or both over the course of time.

And as I said, they are addressing that. Where are the Democrats addressing how to get the rural white vote back?

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As far as Texas is concerned, Texas votes as a southern state, with relatively little difference between white college and non-college voters (as compared to the difference nationally which was about 6% in 2012) and with the total white vote over 70% Republican. The problem long term is that even in Texas, white voters are disproportionately older voters. The majority of elementary school kids in states like Arizona, Georgia and Texas are minority and they represent the future. Even in those states, as the percentage of white voters in the electorate shrinks, eventually the GOP will have to increase their percentage of white voters, as the white total of total votes cast shrinks or improve their standing with minorities.
As I showed, a big chunk of those non-whites do vote Republican. Hispanics are not as liberal as some would have you believe. If just enough Hispanics vote Republican, it's over.

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The GOP needs to start attracting minority voters, or hope that whites in The North vote like whites in the South. In 2012, Romney received 59% of the white vote. In the old Confederacy, the lowest total he received was 2% over the national average at 61%. The national average of white support for the GOP is inflated by large margins in the Deep South and Appalachia. The white vote in 2012 varied from 89% Republican in Mississippi and 84% Republican in Alabama and Louisiana to 33% in Vermont and 27% in Hawaii.
Again, George W attracted enough of the non-white vote. The Republicans can and often do get enough non-white votes and have been working at getting more. Romney was a bad candidate who didn't even try. Someone like Kasich (who got something like 20% of the black vote) or Jeb Bush (who got a whopping 61% of the Latino vote) could have done much better.

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As far as "fixing the problem", the problem for Democrats has been blue-collar white voters predominantly in the very red states of the Deep South, the Mountain West and Appalachia. That's not fixable, but it's also not a demographic that is growing. If white voters in Ohio, Michigan and Minnesota start voting like whites in Mississippi, then the Democrats have a real problem, but so far there is little to no evidence of that happening.
This whole Trump thing is evidence enough. White voters are getting tired of being ignored because they are not a "special group".
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:49 AM
 
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Democrats tend to be concerned about areas of the country where there are actually enough voters to make a difference.




120 mill votes in an election..No one sane would garner a tiny % of them, just to lose the majority.

PDM principle...Population Density Matters!
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Old 09-26-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Mandatory voting is as bad as voter suppression. If someone doesn't want to be a part of the process, they should not be forced to be part of the process.
Having a small percentage of people deciding who runs this country is much worse. I would take mandatory voting over what we have now.
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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120 mill votes in an election..No one sane would garner a tiny % of them, just to lose the majority.

PDM principle...Population Density Matters!
So the 78% of the US population is a "small percent"?

And they keep losing white voters:

Democrats More Liberal, Less White Than in 2008

If current trends continue, the Democrats will indeed be the party of people like this:




Only white, upper-class urban hipsters will be what is left of white Democrats, and that is not enough to survive with.

The GOP is stronger now then ever before. We keep hearing about this "magical demographic shift" that will change things, but there is no evidence that this is going to happen anytime soon. By the time it does the Libertarians will be in control of the GOP and it will be a lot less white, so advantage done (if there ever was one to begin with)
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Having a small percentage of people deciding who runs this country is much worse. I would take mandatory voting over what we have now.
Certain religious groups won't go along with that.
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Old 09-26-2015, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So the 78% of the US population is a "small percent"?

And they keep losing white voters:

Democrats More Liberal, Less White Than in 2008

If current trends continue, the Democrats will indeed be the party of people like this:



Only white, upper-class urban hipsters will be what is left of white Democrats, and that is not enough to survive with.

The GOP is stronger now then ever before. We keep hearing about this "magical demographic shift" that will change things, but there is no evidence that this is going to happen anytime soon. By the time it does the Libertarians will be in control of the GOP and it will be a lot less white, so advantage done (if there ever was one to begin with)
You actually think 78% of Americans in voting age actually vote? I wish the numbers were that high throughout the state.

Actually as this country gets more diverse, the white conservative market continues to shrink. But you can continue why Republicans keep losing the presidential election in the years to come because you don't want to admit this truth to yourself.
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