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I've heard that the wait times in the British system are even worse than the wait times the U.S. veterans have had to endure under the VA system.
The biggest reason we can not have nice things is politicians. I've acknowledged that the biggest roadblock to a national health care system is those who want such a system but simply refuse to hold the politicians accountable that continue to allow the incompetence and corruption that goes on in programs like the V.A.
The biggest problem is not those here who are hypocritical over the "socialist" programs they support but rather, those who will not hold politicians accountable for much of anything.
Among many other things, Obama should have been run out of town for not addressing the problems of the V.A. Obama and Hillary have been the biggest arguments against a government run health care system as they both screwed up their attempts royally. It's the one area Trump may be strong. He may not have the qualms of just firing people for being incompetent. It's too bad he is willing to continue to waste trillions on the wars.
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My major problem with it is single-payer means single choice. The only ones who will get quality care are rich people who can get private insurance and concierge type doctors. There will be two Americas, one where rich people get the best treatments and the poor and shrinking middle class get the shaft. We may get pretty decent care while we're young and not really needing anything more than a yearly physical, but when we get older and start needing more medical care, we will be S-O-L.
Canada has made that illegal. A doctor can not accept cash to put someone ahead of someone else.
And how much are employers and employees paying into it? Because all the health insurance are having profits and paying their CEOs pretty well
And those same insurance companies have contracts with the government usually to provide care, so why you guys believe this will go away is a mystery to me.
Considering what ACA has done to everyones insurance, Bernie's plan isn't so outrageous. I dread socialized medicine. The VA program is anything but a success story. That said I travel and have seen that other countries seem to be able to make it work. I will retire soon and I plan to go the ex-pat route so I really don't have any skin in the game. Ecuador is my choice..
One of the problems we have with this discussion is that no two of the countries with national insurance programs structure them exactly the same way. We can pick and choose programs with track records. A lot of people have suggested that a good system for the US to emulate is the Swiss system - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland. It's roughly like the ACA, but with cost control.
Sure, it's conceivable. But it would require implementing a 25% VAT tax, and applying the highest marginal income tax rate to the middle class like the countries with national healthcare do.
Do you think Americans are willing to pay all that extra in taxes for national health care?
I disagree with these numbers emphatically. We pay twice as much for healthcare than other countries right now. Therefore it's not unreasonable to expect a 50% decrease in taxes to pay for universal healthcare.
Btw my preference would be to outlaw health insurance of any kind while totally revamping the licensing system. You would see health care prices collapse if you did this.
One of the problems we have with this discussion is that no two of the countries with national insurance programs structure them exactly the same way. We can pick and choose programs with track records. A lot of people have suggested that a good system for the US to emulate is the Swiss system - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland. It's roughly like the ACA, but with cost control.
And it produces very good health outcomes.
Yes. I'd actually prefer that there be a government run health insurance option for citizens. Let's see how that performs and impacts the insurance market before going whole hog with single payer.
One of the problems we have with this discussion is that no two of the countries with national insurance programs structure them exactly the same way. We can pick and choose programs with track records. A lot of people have suggested that a good system for the US to emulate is the Swiss system - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland. It's roughly like the ACA, but with cost control.
And it produces very good health outcomes.
It's nothing like the ACA. The Swiss system puts the people first. The ACA puts the pharmaceutical and insurance industry first.
I don't see how its considered modern when you have the government taxing you to death to pay for these "freebies".
Is it better to simply not pay for things like we have been doing for decades?
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