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Old 03-09-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You already answered your own question.

My question for you is whether or not you will be one of the suckers/lemmings, or will use your own brain to decide that Hillary is not right for your or America?
So who would be right? Trump? Cruz? The majority of Americans are going to say - No thanks
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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My son is a die hard Bernie supporter and has expressed frustration with this entitlement issue. Nevertheless he will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

I guess she's been force fed to the masses huh? I've been wondering why after 8 years of Obama there didn't even seem to be an effort by any other democrat to run. I think it's really weird and do wonder if there's some shenanigans... ha! Well, that wouldn't be a surprise...

Help me out here Clinton supporters!! Tell me I can trust her and she'd be trustworthy!
TO answer the first part of your question, it is because Hillary Clinton had already run for President before, without lifting a finger, she already had a national network of supporters and donors.


To answer the second question of honesty and trustworthiness, I need to first know what you are claiming caused it ?????
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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I will vote for the Democratic nominee. They can be on a ticket together, they can add Joe too, I'm good with it.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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My son is a die hard Bernie supporter and has expressed frustration with this entitlement issue. Nevertheless he will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

I guess she's been force fed to the masses huh? I've been wondering why after 8 years of Obama there didn't even seem to be an effort by any other democrat to run. I think it's really weird and do wonder if there's some shenanigans... ha! Well, that wouldn't be a surprise...

Help me out here Clinton supporters!! Tell me I can trust her and she'd be trustworthy!

This is one of the strangest things in politics I can think of. Love him or hate him, Obama changed a lot in his 8 years, and has a legacy I am sure he wants to continue. It baffles me that he doesn't have someone he truly trusts to do this - there is certainly no love lost between the Clintons and Obamas.


The primary process on the democrats side borders on not being democratic. The party essentially decided the candidate would be Hillary and didn't even put forward other viable candidates. Imagine if from the very start, the only two candidates the Republicans ran were Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. You can love or hate the GOP frontrunner, but at least the nominee will be chosen by the people from a field of 17+ very diverse candidates.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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This is one of the strangest things in politics I can think of. Love him or hate him, Obama changed a lot in his 8 years, and has a legacy I am sure he wants to continue. It baffles me that he doesn't have someone he truly trusts to do this - there is certainly no love lost between the Clintons and Obamas.


The primary process on the democrats side borders on not being democratic. The party essentially decided the candidate would be Hillary and didn't even put forward other viable candidates. Imagine if from the very start, the only two candidates the Republicans ran were Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. You can love or hate the GOP frontrunner, but at least the nominee will be chosen by the people from a field of 17+ very diverse candidates.
Will he?

The Republican establishment is currently spending millions of dollars to derail Trump and stop him from winning the magic number of delegates.

IF he is one vote short - there will be a brokered convention and someone else will be your nominee.

This bashing of the DNC while remaining silent on the RNC is nothing but pure partisan politics.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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This is one of the strangest things in politics I can think of. Love him or hate him, Obama changed a lot in his 8 years, and has a legacy I am sure he wants to continue. It baffles me that he doesn't have someone he truly trusts to do this - there is certainly no love lost between the Clintons and Obamas.


The primary process on the democrats side borders on not being democratic. The party essentially decided the candidate would be Hillary and didn't even put forward other viable candidates. Imagine if from the very start, the only two candidates the Republicans ran were Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. You can love or hate the GOP frontrunner, but at least the nominee will be chosen by the people from a field of 17+ very diverse candidates.
Parties do not put forth candidates. The candidates choose to run on their own.

If you want to be mad at other Democrats for not believing they could beat Hillary, that is one thing, but you are arguing something that is completely untrue.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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Just wondering... Clinton has such a bad reputation and Sanders seems to be honest. They seem to be on the same page on so many issues, what is driving Clinton supporters?

Disclaimer... I'm not a Clinton fan, but I'm also not a Sanders supporter. I'm not enamored with any of the candidates to be honest. So... does anyone want to sell me on Hillary Clinton?
People really have no idea what they are getting themselves into with Sanders. It has been said that only 25% of all Americans have ever traveled outside the country, and most of the ones that do are immigrants who travel to their countries of origin. It's mainly white folk who support Sanders. So, I find it peculiar that many people who have never set foot outside the US, nor have ever lived in another country (let alone in a socialist country) would see socialism as an ideology that we should embrace. If they want to look at a socialist country as an example to be followed, then they need to take a look at ALL socialist countries.

Some people are so provincial...
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Bran's tree
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People really have no idea what they are getting themselves into with Sanders. It has been said that only 25% of all Americans have ever traveled outside the country, and most of the ones that do are immigrants who travel to their countries of origin. It's mainly white folk who support Sanders. So, I find it peculiar that many people who have never set foot outside the US, nor have ever lived in another country (let alone in a socialist country) would see socialism as an ideology that we should embrace. If they want to look at a socialist country as an example to be followed, then they need to take a look at ALL socialist countries.

Some people are so provincial...
I'm a minority woman who's lived in 3 countries and travelled to 24 (so far), and I always try to see what works and what doesn't in every place I go. And at least in my observation, there's much that the US can learn from other countries. And vice versa, granted. But Bernie makes many good points, and even if he might not be able to implement all his goals, he'd turn the ship in the right direction.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I'm a minority woman who's lived in 3 countries and travelled to 24 (so far), and I always try to see what works and what doesn't in every place I go. And at least in my observation, there's much that the US can learn from other countries. And vice versa, granted. But Bernie makes many good points, and even if he might not be able to implement all his goals, he'd turn the ship in the right direction.
True I do agree. I think overall USA is the best country, but just like people we can always learn something new.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Parties do not put forth candidates. The candidates choose to run on their own.

If you want to be mad at other Democrats for not believing they could beat Hillary, that is one thing, but you are arguing something that is completely untrue.
In 2008 Hillary was running strong, until along came Obama and folks said "hey, wouldn't it be great to have the first black President?". It seemed like the message to Hillary was "just wait, 2016 will be your turn, we promise". So it was that no Democrats challenged her, except for some obscure socialist from Vermont, who was really no threat .... until now.
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