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Why do you say "blindly falling in line to support Trump"?? Why not say, "looking at the two choices left and deciding that Trump is PROBABLY better"??
Why do you spin it so??
Seems a bit phony.
Oh, and I already KNOW what the concerns of Cruz people are. Most of my political buddies voted for him. I donated to him.
And this is what gets me: most Cruz people essentially say this (over and over): "out of MY top ten concerns, there are no more than one or two which would also be found on the list of top ten concerns of Trump and his supporters...........so DIE, Donald!!"
It makes absolutely no sense, because it is flat out false. Like, comically false.
What I meant was there is a lot of trashing of Cruz and his supporters from the Trump supporters. I have thick skin, this doesn't bother me and will not influence whether I support Trump or Johnson.
What I meant was why not reach out to us in a more collaborative and friendly manner and show us how most of our concerns will be well addressed by Trump.
I agree that there was more venom between Cruz and Trump supporters than was necessary but campaigns tend to do that. Now that the primary is over, I would suggest there are better ways of courting Cruz supporters than what I have seen on these threads.
No, Cruz has never stated that he was honored to be endorsed by a "Kill the gays" pastor, not did he invite one to give the invocation at any event sponsored by the Cruz campaign, both of which Donald Trump has done.
The only evidence Donald's fan base has with regard to Cruz is a video of an event that Cruz, Huckabee and Jindal appeared at for a campaign stop speech, none of the candidates were there to support the event or the other attendees and none were there to be "honored" by an endorsement.
What I meant was there is a lot of trashing of Cruz and his supporters from the Trump supporters. I have thick skin, this doesn't bother me and will not influence whether I support Trump or Johnson.
What I meant was why not reach out to us in a more collaborative and friendly manner and show us how most of our concerns will be well addressed by Trump.
I agree that there was more venom between Cruz and Trump supporters than was necessary but campaigns tend to do that. Now that the primary is over, I would suggest there are better ways of courting Cruz supporters than what I have seen on these threads.
Well, if you aren't a Cruzer who has thrown in with the "Never Trump"ers, then this thread isn't directed towards you.
I have supported MANY GOP candidates who I did not like much, at the end of the day. I definitely get that.
.....categorically refuse to vote for Trump (since I believe that the biggest bloc of Republicans who will fight our GOP nominee is made up of Cruz supporters):
As a guy who donated to Cruz and would have been pretty happy with him as the nominee, all that I (and many, many others) can say to YOU folks is, s*rew you. Your mindless petulance is disgusting.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is not on your summer reading list.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is not on your summer reading list.
Those that followed Cruz tend to be like him. Obviously, Cruz didn't read the book either! Cruz is finished. I knew with that type of cult following that they would have severe withdrawal symptoms, it was just a given. They still believe Cruz will rise from the dead heap of primary candidates and reign supreme. We all know how cult followers behave. I guess if you know a Cruz follower that they'll need suicide watch during the GOP convention! Sad, but true with some of the religious nuts.
As much as you think everyone ought to just fall in line, some Republicans feel they can not morally vote for Trump. I am one. I started out as a Paul supporter, once he went out I went through a series of candidates that I gave varying amount of support to. I debated who to vote for during my primary, because I was okay with and number of them, and ended up marking Rubio. Once Rubio left I wasn't much of a Cruz fan but I was willing to vote for him if he ended up being the nominee. I can not imagine any senario where I am willing to vote for Trump. And you know what? I don't have to.
You realize this makes you a bigger jinx than Lindsey Graham.
Well, if you aren't a Cruzer who has thrown in with the "Never Trump"ers, then this thread isn't directed towards you.
I have supported MANY GOP candidates who I did not like much, at the end of the day. I definitely get that.
Fair enough.
What really frustrates me about the most ardent NeverTrump people is that they don't seem to have nearly the contempt towards Mrs. Clinton as they do towards Trump. Whether one admits or not, the NeverTrump stance benefits Clinton, especially if the stance is taken by someone with a public presence and uses their microphone to constantly trash The Donald.
Just this week alone, Trump has proven himself far better than Clinton on many issues: SCOTUS nominees, terror, and 2nd Amendment.
I was never NeverTrump so much as considering Johnson (L) instead of Trump. I reluctantly supported Romney in '12 and regret that decision in light of what a D-Bag he has been with respect to the chance of a Trump nomination. I'm glad to have supported Barr (I) instead of McCain in '08.
At the end of the day, I'll likely go with Trump. One reason is that there is no politician and, perhaps, no human being (if she even counts) that I despise more than Hillary Clinton. Voting for Johnson is a less direct vote against Hillary Clinton than voting for Trump.
Hopefully enough NeverTrump people come around -- I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve. I was really impressed with Ben Shapiro but have found myself listening to his podcast less as it is now the 'Trash Donald Trump Show' as opposed to the 'Ben Shapiro Show.'
It is what it is. At a certain point, the Cruz supporters or any Conservative that can't support trump for their personal reasons certainly have a right not to support him and I no longer worry about convincing them. For every Conservative vote that Trump loses, there are at least 3-4 blue collar democrats that will take their place.
I'm as conservative as anyone and for me the big picture is the Supreme Court. Several Presidential elections will come and go and the Supreme Court Justices that the next President nominates and may be confirmed will still be there. Imagine if the current Supreme Court had upheld all of Obama's agenda. Imagine another 2-3 liberal judges sitting there giving Hillary or anyone else with a left wing progressive agenda whatever they wanted to make this country look like Europe or worse. No thanks. I'll take my chances with Trump. I don't know for certain what the Presidency holds with him but I do know for certain what it holds with Hillary in the oval office. The Supreme Court is the only government body that can stop a President from taking excessive powers against the will of the people. As we've seen with Obama's unlawful executive orders, Congress can or will do nothing. The Supreme Court is our last hope.
It is what it is. At a certain point, the Cruz supporters or any Conservative that can't support trump for their personal reasons certainly have a right not to support him and I no longer worry about convincing them. For every Conservative vote that Trump loses, there are at least 3-4 blue collar democrats that will take their place.
I'm as conservative as anyone and for me the big picture is the Supreme Court. Several Presidential elections will come and go and the Supreme Court Justices that the next President nominates and may be confirmed will still be there. Imagine if the current Supreme Court had upheld all of Obama's agenda. Imagine another 2-3 liberal judges sitting there giving Hillary or anyone else with a left wing progressive agenda whatever they wanted to make this country look like Europe or worse. No thanks. I'll take my chances with Trump. I don't know for certain what the Presidency holds with him but I do know for certain what it holds with Hillary in the oval office. The Supreme Court is the only government body that can stop a President from taking excessive powers against the will of the people. As we've seen with Obama's unlawful executive orders, Congress can or will do nothing. The Supreme Court is our last hope.
This is one reason why Trump's decision to release the list of potential SCOTUS nominees was such a smart move. It's a very strong goodwill gesture towards conservatives and also shows he is not some sort of loose cannon who doesn't take input from those in the know.
Well, if you aren't a Cruzer who has thrown in with the "Never Trump"ers, then this thread isn't directed towards you.
I have supported MANY GOP candidates who I did not like much, at the end of the day. I definitely get that.
And none of them is within telescope viewing range of being the world-class turd that Donald Trump is.
Fact.
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