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Old 08-17-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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"Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything and change nothing."--Obama 2008 campaign ad.
He was against Hillary Clinton , before he was for her.

Here are some of the 10 moments from that campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...primary-video/

 
Old 08-17-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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Obviously, the check offered was not big enough to garner her support. She may be careless when it comes to emails and national security but she sure is not careless when it comes to collecting funds...
Seems like she turned it into a sales job . Selling access and positions of power in exchange for money
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:20 AM
 
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I think only since the last few years does she proclaim that she is pro LGBT and their rights. But wasn't Bill Clinton pro gay? He even signed some important document back then.That would have been weird if she was against gay marriage in the 90s.
The Democrats, even Obama himself opposed gay marriage.. up until the courts ruled it was unconstitutional, then they ran around putting rainbow colored lights on the White House, and everyone forgot, they opposed gay marriage.

It was an amazing feat of PR.. and hypocrisy..
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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Both Trump and Clinton were relatively in the same place on this. Neither was really against LGBTQ people and supported general social equality. Where they both drew the line was with "marriage". Remember, Bill signed DOMA and Hillary supported that decision and the traditional definition of marriage.

Now that marriage equality has become something that the majority of Americans support, Hillary came out in support of it and a broad equality platform. Her efforts to paint herself as someone who was always on that side have however, been roundly criticized, even by MSNBC.

Trump supports the traditional definition of marriage and has vowed to pursue actions that would reverse the recent SCOTUS decision that legalized gay marriage. However, he is far more liberal when it comes to LGBTQ rights than the rest of the Republican party. He has rather bravely (for a Republican presidential candidate) spoken out against the actions of various states who are suing over who can use what bathroom.

Still, one needs to look at the parties and their platforms. There is no denying that Democrats are for more supportive of LGBTQ rights than are Republicans. However, the two candidates themselves aren't as far apart on the issues as many would have you believe. Frankly, as a former Republican I was rather happy to see Trump speak out in support of protecting LGBTQ Americans and supporting equal rights. Though he received the expected half applause, half boos from the crowd.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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The Democrats, even Obama himself opposed gay marriage.. up until the courts ruled it was unconstitutional, then they ran around putting rainbow colored lights on the White House, and everyone forgot, they opposed gay marriage.

It was an amazing feat of PR.. and hypocrisy..
Fact: In May of 2012, Obama announced his support for same sex marriages on an ABC interview.
Fact: Obergefell vs. Hodges decision was issued by the SCOTUS in June 2015.
Fact: You are either very forgetful or like to play fast and loose with facts.

Yes, Obama initially stated that he believes that a marriage was between a man and a woman.

Politicians' positions necessarily shift with changes in social mores . . . . back in the day, no one batted an eye about slavery and women not voting.

Mick
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Because it just recently became socially cool to be gay and it's the flavor group of the year and there are votes there.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Because it just recently became socially cool to be gay and it's the flavor group of the year and there are votes there.
Kind of how it's now cool to be a techie or geek .
Being in technology used to be the least cool thing possible .

Now it's the opposite .
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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Fact: In May of 2012, Obama announced his support for same sex marriages on an ABC interview.
Fact: Obergefell vs. Hodges decision was issued by the SCOTUS in June 2015.
Fact: You are either very forgetful or like to play fast and loose with facts.

Yes, Obama initially stated that he believes that a marriage was between a man and a woman.

Politicians' positions necessarily shift with changes in social mores . . . . back in the day, no one batted an eye about slavery and women not voting.

Mick
Obama sent lawyers to fight against gay rights, in court cases like DADT.. You can ignore these FACTS but that doesnt make it so. saying something and then doing another.. contradicts one another.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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I think only since the last few years does she proclaim that she is pro LGBT and their rights. But wasn't Bill Clinton pro gay? He even signed some important document back then.That would have been weird if she was against gay marriage in the 90s.
Social change don't occur over night. Most of us change with the times.
 
Old 08-17-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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So tell us, why is the GOP platform STILL anti-LGBT today?
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