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Old 01-08-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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NOBODY is blaming. The facts are clear. Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that. Sadly, in Trump World facts are have nothing to do with anything - only SPIN and lies and "the sell."

SHAME ON YOU for saying the Media said Russia rigged the election. A great lie you've learned from the Lying Trumpster. I have NOT heard the media say Russia "rigged" the election.

Remember - "rigged" is Trump's word - not theirs.

Again, it is indisputable Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that.
Not who you were talking to, but a poll showed that 50% of Hillary voters think Russia did hack vote tallies, despite no evidence.


The DNC/MSM interfered on Hillary's behalf in the primary.

The MSM interfered on Hillary's behalf in the General Election.

The leaked emails proved this.


The US for decades have interfered in other countries' elections. Including under Obama and including in Russia. Why are we not outraged about this?

The US has hacked other countries, including our allies. Obama declared hacking an act of war and then was caught hacking our allies.


Explain why I should be so outraged when Hillary had so much rigging in her favor and all that happened was the truth was exposed.

 
Old 01-08-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Marlow, NH
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
NOBODY is blaming. The facts are clear. Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that. Sadly, in Trump World facts are have nothing to do with anything - only SPIN and lies and "the sell."

SHAME ON YOU for saying the Media said Russia rigged the election. A great lie you've learned from the Lying Trumpster. I have NOT heard the media say Russia "rigged" the election.

Remember - "rigged" is Trump's word - not theirs.

Again, it is indisputable Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that.
I don't get it. If Hillary losing the election is because of the Russians interfering with the elections, why was Hillary winning bigly in the polls the day of the election (according to every news channel). With this logic of Russian interfering, one would think she would have been tanking in the polls before the elections.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 08:26 PM
 
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NOBODY is blaming. The facts are clear. Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that. Sadly, in Trump World facts are have nothing to do with anything - only SPIN and lies and "the sell."

SHAME ON YOU for saying the Media said Russia rigged the election. A great lie you've learned from the Lying Trumpster. I have NOT heard the media say Russia "rigged" the election.

Remember - "rigged" is Trump's word - not theirs.

Again, it is indisputable Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that.
Time for you folks to accept the fact your gal lost the election because she was the worst candidate, a conniving liar and one who cares less about our Americans being murdered.

IF, and that's a BIG IF, Russia leaked her emails, then good for them! She refused to disclose her emails and if her emails were leaked, all that accomplished was to further validate that she would be the worse person in the world to be the POTUS.

In the year 2050 you libs will still be crying.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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NOBODY is blaming. The facts are clear. Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that. Sadly, in Trump World facts are have nothing to do with anything - only SPIN and lies and "the sell."

SHAME ON YOU for saying the Media said Russia rigged the election. A great lie you've learned from the Lying Trumpster. I have NOT heard the media say Russia "rigged" the election.

Remember - "rigged" is Trump's word - not theirs.

Again, it is indisputable Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that.

Russia Today (RT) was featured prominently in the ODNI report. In the absence of actual voting machine tampering, they allegedly influenced the election via broadcast coverage (also known as free speech).

Here is RT's rebuttal to the ODNI report:

https://www.rt.com/usa/372890-odni-r...nced-election/
 
Old 01-10-2017, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Russia hacked the ballot boxes during the Republican primaries and the General election.
Got any proof of that? Even the official government report says there is no evidence of this...


Normally I would have just took this accusation as you telling a joke and / or being rhetorical, but with Liberals, you just never know. Maybe this is what you actually believe.
 
Old 01-10-2017, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you could choose the leader of your main enemy, would you prefer a seasoned politician with international experience, or a know nothing blowhard with personality problems?
Russia didn't choose Trump, the voters within their respective states did.
 
Old 01-10-2017, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Russia leaked the emails. If they were doing the job that the American media didn't want to do, they would have also leaked the emails of the Republican National Committee, let's be fair here!
Reince Preibus, head of the RNC, says the Russians tried but were unable to gain access to RNC servers. and, unlike the DNC, gave the FBI access to their servers for inspection, so maybe that's why the Ruskies didn't release RNC emails, eh?
 
Old 01-10-2017, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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While we will never know if his hacking had any true impact on the election, we do know they tried. They were specifically going after damaging information aimed at Hillary. You didn't see their boytoy Assange putting out any crap about Trump. Putin wanted Trump to win for a lot of reasons, but primarily because he knows Trump is inexperienced, not too bright, and will be like a little lamb, lead to the slaughter. Trump is a foreign enemies dream come true.
It doesn't matter. If the released emails did have an impact on the election, what that means is that the TRUTH swayed enough voters to change the election.


No one alleges that any of the released emails were fake or fabricated, or that anything that got released was untrue.
 
Old 01-10-2017, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The use of "trolls" sure makes sense given the number of anti-Clinton fake-news threads on her health, mental state, sex scandal and more - and new posters on CD.

Imagine, we all have been talking to the Russian trolls.

What the report did not state--how could it--was the alleged reason why Russia preferred Trump over Clinton. Apparently, their motivation was to seek a partner in fighting ISIS. It was also stated they liked Trumps praise of Russia.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...-agencies.html

What is left out is the obvious: Trump is a useful idiot who's so volatile he can be easily manipulated. Clearly they didn't want Clinton who critiqued their own rigged election process.

Who better to help them achieve their international goals of weakening the west than to help elect a man whose ego is so fragile a little flattery would get him eating out of their hands?

It's already worked: look who Trump chose for his Secretary of State. Payoff made. Getting Trump elected was the gift that keeps on giving.

A bloviating, mindless, self-absorbed baboon. God Bless America!
I believe you are 100% correct that this is Russia's perception of Trump.


I also believe there is some truth to it.
 
Old 01-10-2017, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
NOBODY is blaming. The facts are clear. Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that. Sadly, in Trump World facts are have nothing to do with anything - only SPIN and lies and "the sell."

SHAME ON YOU for saying the Media said Russia rigged the election. A great lie you've learned from the Lying Trumpster. I have NOT heard the media say Russia "rigged" the election.

Remember - "rigged" is Trump's word - not theirs.

Again, it is indisputable Russians did interfere in myriad ways. If you'd bothered to read the report you would know that.
#1, the media IS essentially saying that Russia rigged the election. What perception do you think it creates every time some talking head on TV says something about Russia "hacking the election" or "the election hacks"....? Russia DID NOT hack the election. There is absolutely no evidence that voter rolls or voting machines were tampered with, but that's the perception that is created every time someone says Russia "hacked the election".... It's irresponsible. Talk about undermining faith in our election process...


#2. Yes, Russia tried to interfere with our elections. That's a big deal and absolutely needs to be dealt with swiftly, but all they did was expose the truth. If their meddling did ultimately change the results of the election, then all that means is that the truth is what sank Clinton in the end. No one alleges that any of the released emails were fake or fabricated.
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