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Old 01-08-2017, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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That might not be possible. We live in an era of massive income and wealth inequality and a rigged economy held up by a corrupt system of campaign finance. Campaigns are funded by a couple of hundreds uber rich families. And Trump has promised us he will eliminate all restrictions on campaign finance by nominating Justice Scalia clones for the Supreme Court. This means that it will be impossible for anyone to run for office representing the needs of the 99% as anyone who wants to win has to beg the super rich oligarchy for money. This is the permanent oligarchy being put in place in the coming years.
America already stood up against the 'establishment' even when they threw over $1.2 billion into Hillary's campaign. Somebody should have paid attention; not every investment is a 'wise' investment. Isn't anybody scratching their heads and asking: Where did we go wrong? If the Democrats do not do some serious soul searching they might not see another election for a very long time.

They also have a problem if they look like they oppose Trump; they could look like the oppose American improvement - which might not look good on their resume (especially if Trump 'works' for America). They have to pick and choose their battles wisely. The Republicans have to also pick and choose their battles carefully - Trumpism was not defined along strong Party lines.

By the way, talking about the Supreme Court; has anybody heard about a possible position for Judge Jeannie? I know she was in Trump Tower just recently.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:21 AM
 
Location: az
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Where are all these positive comments about her appearance? She was constantly attacked for her appearance, she still is. Yesterday the comments were that she was a wrinkled old hog. A hog! Does that mean she is fat? Because Trump is fatter. Old? Trump is older. Women really do care about other women's appearance in the U.S. Look at how quickly Sarah Palin gained support in spite of how obvious it was that she knew so little (as has been admitted even by the McCain campaign). Yet no one complains about how men look beyond the Cheeto jokes. Feel free to try to get a woman elected, I just won't waste my time for a long while because I don't think women are mature (or experienced?) enough to see beyond appearance. Maybe after women lose a few elections and their supporters start talking about policy it will make a difference. Even Trump said about Carly Fiorina "Look at her face!"
Here's the link to the first debate where poster on C/D where plenty of comments were made regarding the appearance of both candidates.
*****The First Presidential Debate 9/26/16*****

If anything Trump bore the brunt of criticism about who looked worse on TV.

Yet, it's also clear throughout the thread that policy (or lack of) and not appearance was behind the comments posted. There is nothing to support the idea women who didn't back Clinton didn't because of her appearance or a belief a woman can't run the WH or some other nutty theory.

The chief reason Clinton lost was because she was a terrible candidate. She had unlimited funds, the MSM in her pocket and still blew it.

And she blew it because she had no idea how to run against Trump. Jeb? Rubio? Sure but Trump? Nope. He'd make the slightest gaff and the MSM would be on him like white on rice yet Clinton could never close in for the kill.

So don't go blaming women for not supporting HC because of her appearance or the fact she was a woman.

They didn't support her because of policy and/or the simple fact she wasn't a very likeable candidate.


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... If the Democrats do not do some serious soul searching they might not see another election for a very long time.
Exactly. Clinton lost because of Russian interference or because many women didn't like way she looked and so on.

Refuse to exam closely why Trump won big in the electoral college and they will lose again.

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Old 01-08-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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It would be more important for the Democrats to simply not play identity politics where blue collar whites are to be despised.
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Old 01-08-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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If the dems are smart, they'll not only run a white male, they will cooperate with Trump on securing the border and not allowing unvetted Muslims into the country from nations that spawn terrorists.

They will at least do that.

They will also cut out the PC nonsense and hating on whitey.

But of course, I expect them to continue with their demands for open borders, tens of thousands of unvetted Muslim refugees (who never go home), safe spaces, speech codes, trigger warnings, voting without having to prove citizenship, sanctuary cities, demands for reparations, coddling of organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (a front for Hamas), advocacy of reverse discrimination against whites and males, bashing America and Western Civilization, boys being allowed into girls' restrooms to placate transgenders, etc.

They can't help themselves.

That means Trump wins again in 2020, and Republicans get a super-rmajority in the Senate in 2018 as well as flipping more state legislatures and governorships into the R column.

It also means Trump appoints at least three U.S. Supreme Court justices.

Things are looking good!
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Dems aren't worried about 2020 and the presidency. They have the demographics, the blue wall has a few holes but still stands, and with a better candidate they win unless Trump surprises on the plus side and actually runs again. The problem is the local level and off year elections where they can't get their demo to show at the polls. Being out of power and having a idiot in the White House who will attract constant ridicule from the mainstream culture (a variation on the alt-right talk radio that inspires the right) will help immensely in reversing that, but they still need to stop with the identity labeling they have done to themselves and get back to being the party of the little man - black, white, brown or whatever.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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Dems aren't worried about 2020 and the presidency. They have the demographics, the blue wall has a few holes but still stands, and with a better candidate they win unless Trump surprises on the plus side and actually runs again. The problem is the local level and off year elections where they can't get their demo to show at the polls. Being out of power and having a idiot in the White House who will attract constant ridicule from the mainstream culture (a variation on the alt-right talk radio that inspires the right) will help immensely in reversing that, but they still need to stop with the identity labeling they have done to themselves and get back to being the party of the little man - black, white, brown or whatever.
Demographics is not on the Democrats' side. As younger people grow up, they shed the ignorance and left-wing indoctrination that is the signature trait of most millennials, and the same trait that makes them vote Democrat. Liberal ideology isn't based on the real world, nor does it have appeal to people who operate in the real world, so as people mature liberalism becomes less and less attractive.

Once the border wall is built and the immigration laws are enforced, the left won't be able to count on millions of non-citizens voting, which will also hurt them at the polls.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:10 AM
 
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Democrats will start winning elections again when they focus on issues that affect working & middle class America.

At this point, they don't seem to be anywhere near there.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Dems aren't worried about 2020 and the presidency. They have the demographics, the blue wall has a few holes but still stands, and with a better candidate they win unless Trump surprises on the plus side and actually runs again. The problem is the local level and off year elections where they can't get their demo to show at the polls. Being out of power and having a idiot in the White House who will attract constant ridicule from the mainstream culture (a variation on the alt-right talk radio that inspires the right) will help immensely in reversing that, but they still need to stop with the identity labeling they have done to themselves and get back to being the party of the little man - black, white, brown or whatever.
What blue wall? The three west coast states and the Bos-Wash corridor minus Pennsylvania? We just saw that that isn't enough, Homie. And who is this "better candidate?" We heard every day for months that Hillary Clinton was most qualified political candidate in human history. Who do they have that can top that?

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Old 01-08-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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Demographics is not on the Democrats' side. As younger people grow up, they shed the ignorance and left-wing indoctrination that is the signature trait of most millennials, and the same trait that makes them vote Democrat. Liberal ideology isn't based on the real world, nor does it have appeal to people who operate in the real world, so as people mature liberalism becomes less and less attractive.

Once the border wall is built and the immigration laws are enforced, the left won't be able to count on millions of non-citizens voting, which will also hurt them at the polls.
Not to mention that the people who have the lowest birthrates by far are white urban yuppies/hipsters. In other words, pretty much the entirety of the white portion of the Democrat coalition. Truck drivers in central PA and secretaries in Pittsburgh have children, I assure you.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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America already stood up against the 'establishment' even when
Nope, Trump's finance chair during the campaign was a Goldman Sachs Wall Street fat cat that used his connections to beg Wall Street for money and when Trump won, lo and behold, Mister Mnuchin became Treasury Secretary. Gary Cohn, another Goldman Sachs fat cat is now Trump's main economic adviser. The people voted for Wall Street while thinking they did not because Hillary was also funded by them. Trump has more than $1.5 billion in debt owned by Wall Street.

The banks own him. And he is already rewarding them. His cabinet is packed full of members of the donor class and the entire GOP and large chunks of the Dems are also puppets of the donor class. And Trump promises us to make it far worse by eliminating all restrictions and making it impossible to ever again win office without begging the super rich for money.
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