Let us not forget that Obama is a member of the CFR (voting, enemies)

[daminos]

Originally Posted by daminos

It always helps to study history, it is also beneficial to understand it.

Why don't you try to be less cryptic? Be specific. What do you mean?

[NewToCA]

Your cause and effect indicates conspiracies, I think that a review of CFR briefing papers shows that they aren't a puppet master. You would not see published reports such as this from a shadow government organization, very challenging to current directions:

Foreign Affairs - The Price of the Surge - Steven Simon

[daminos]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Your cause and effect indicates conspiracies, I think that a review of CFR briefing papers shows that they aren't a puppet master. You would not see published reports such as this from a shadow government organization, very challenging to current directions:

Foreign Affairs - The Price of the Surge - Steven Simon

Be specific about what cause and what effect. Don't be cryptic.

Challenging the minutia of the US involvement in Iraq hardly puts into question the overall progress towards a socialistic, tyrannical, world governance system. The CFR's aim is to subvert the sovereignty of the United States and the US Constitution's framework of individual, unalienable rights and replace it with a centralized authoritarian form of government. If you are for the US Constitution you should realize that the CFR is an enemy.

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by daminos

The CFR has been working, since its inception nearly a century ago, towards ending the US sovereignty and bring the US towards world governance under a system that is foreign to the US Constitution. This is fact and is readily understandable to anyone who wishes to look at it. It is not secret. It is out in the open.

Ok, lets suppose it is a fact, then might I ask you to provide said facts as evidence. I should like to see the unequivocal proof that the Council on Foreign Relations was concieved or contrived to bring the United States of America into the fold of a one world government. If as you state this took place a century ago, I must ask myself why on earth did people 100 years ago need to create an organization to bring a then small and relatively insignificant nation into such a diabolical plan? After all, 100 years ago, Europe thought of the United States much the same way that England thought of the original colonies, as basically a mere nuisance.

Unfortunately most people don't wish to realize what the CFR represents.

Well I am curious as to what everything represents, including the CFR. It makes no difference to me if they are attempting to conqueror the world or if they are a group of people who assess how to deal with foreign nations politically and economically. Let truth and falsehood grapple and the chips fall as they may, as I have seen no evidence that suggest that your assertions are correct. This is not to say that they aren't, just that I haven't seen this evidence and would be more than happy to view it if you would provide it.

The CFR is real and their objectives are clear and it is to end our Constitutional Republic.

Ok, then show me the evidence that supports this.

I didn't call you a fool or crazy, I just commented that you bringing up the Illuminati is part of your delusion not mine.

I suggest you review this thread and notice where you have called other members of this forum who disagree with your positions and assertions as being foolish, delusional, uneducated and a plethora of other ad hominen comments that certainly do nothing to help your position.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by daminos

Be specific about what cause and what effect. Don't be cryptic.

Challenging the minutia of the US involvement in Iraq hardly puts into question the overall progress towards a socialistic, tyrannical, world governance system. The CFR's aim is to subvert the sovereignty of the United States and the US Constitution's framework of individual, unalienable rights and replace it with a centralized authoritarian form of government. If you are for the US Constitution you should realize that the CFR is an enemy.

Nah, they want to discuss ideas out in the open (that is what think tank organizations do), and here is the report that seems to spook so many folks about the US and sovereignty:

http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf

[daminos]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

I suggest you review this thread and notice where you have called other members of this forum who disagree with your positions and assertions as being foolish, delusional, uneducated and a plethora of other ad hominen comments that certainly do nothing to help your position.

I will start with this one. I only referred to you bringing up the Illuminati as "your delusion" since I didn't bring it up, you did. Your attempt to involve me with this was sly and I called you on it. I never called anyone "uneducated". You shouldn't make this up. I tend to counter ad hominem attacks either by ignoring them or by responding in kind. I also try to separate between the person and what a person seems to believe in, with which I might disagree and object. We are hardly all perfect in keeping this distinction cleanly separated.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Nah, they want to discuss ideas out in the open (that is what think tank organizations do)

Everyone has the (inalienable) right to speak their mind. I have the right to question and disagree with their motive. That is what I am doing. In my, an many other's, opinions, the CFR's motives are wrong and destructive to our individual liberties and to the sovereignty of the United States. The CFR was created in 1921 largely as a result of the United States' rejection of the League of Nations.

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by daminos

You are the same type of lazy thinking fool who deserves to be enslaved. I am quite sure you relish having your savings reduced to nothing, or having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. I am sure you like paying more and more taxes to pay for NOTHING. You are a sad, pathetic specimen. But, unfortunately, an average American who is more interested in what is on TV and whether or not their sports team is going to do well. How pathetic.

Lazy AND foolish because they don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by daminos

You too must like to have your dollar devalued to nothing. Why don't you actually try to wake up and stand up for your country instead of being a weak, lily-livered spineless coward.

lily-livered spineless coward? because they don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by daminos

^^^ So says the e-fool.

Fool because they don't agree with you.

Originally Posted by daminos

I am afraid you are confusing your lack of intellect with the ability for critical thinking.

Stupid and lacking of intellect because they don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by daminos

Very good, Ken. Just right out of the playbook. Keep thinking to yourself that all is OK as you see your savings dwindle to nothing.

Let's try this...if you have kids. Why don't you go up to them tonight and tell them very softly and gently.... I am going to pass on all this debt to you. Tell them that they are going to inherit all of this massive $10 Trillion and sky-rocketing debt. Look into their eyes and lie to them. What kind of person are you , Ken? Are you a monster? Or just a very deluded American?

A monster OR just deluded because they don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by daminos

All very wasted education I might add. You must have been sheltered. You need to wake up and actually do some research. Let me guess. You must have lived on Military bases? Just a wild guess. I remember visiting them from time to time. Just like being in the US...the PX, iceberg lettuce. Not really like being in the foreign country....but almost.

Wasted their education, sheltered and asleep because they don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by daminos

If you would do your homework you would see that it actually has been a plan...just not so secretive. It doesn't have to be since most Americans are as clueless as you seem to be.

Clueless and lazy because they don't agree with you?

Judging by what I have seen from you, you are in fact little more than yet another internet troll with little or no evidence and a propensity to denounce anyone who may disagree with you. I asked that you provide some evidence for your assertions of CFR attempts and destroying the United States and you instead chose to get defensive and make this into some kind of personal issue. Personally I don't care if you think the moon is made of cheese, but I would appreciate it if you would put your horse back in the barn and not be so harsh towards those who do not share your opinions and views.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

1) I should like to see the unequivocal proof that the Council on Foreign Relations was concieved or contrived to bring the United States of America into the fold of a one world government.

2) If as you state this took place a century ago, I must ask myself why on earth did people 100 years ago need to create an organization to bring a then small and relatively insignificant nation into such a diabolical plan? After all, 100 years ago, Europe thought of the United States much the same way that England thought of the original colonies, as basically a mere nuisance.

1) Here are some quotes:

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England... (and) ...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton

"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government."
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

"The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education."
- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report


2) In 1921, when the CFR was formed, the United States was hardly insignificant. The US represented, still, a force of individual freedom that was abhorrent to a feudalistic ruling class, with which you seem to be very much at ease I might add, sad to say. The United States represented to this class of tyrants a last burning ember of individual freedoms. What has happened since 1921 is a slow yet steady progress towards socialism and fascism. Since the end of WWII we have seen an increasing trend towards a socialist nanny state and a police state in the US. Our wealth has been plundered, we have been dumbed down by a federally organized system of indoctrination, we have become irresponsible in all facets of our society.

[daminos]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

you are in fact little more than yet another internet troll

Looks like I am not the only one who makes ad hominem attacks. I never attacked you personally, why do you attack me personally? Still want to discuss issues or do you want to belabor in the mud?