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Old 07-29-2017, 09:11 PM
 
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Establishment politicians aren't popular anywhere.

But the answer isn't to elect rank amateurs. I'd want my senator to at least have a college degree. Damn...is that too much to ask? I need to know that you know something about civics, foreign policy, economics, social policy, housing policy, military policy, business administration, law, energy policy....SOMETHING!

This whole idea that 'Bernie sitting at the middle of the bar downing a few beers is qualified to be a senator because he's a swell guy that gets his hands dirty at the shop' is a load of bunk. Sorry if that makes me a damn elitist, but I want to be governed by worldly, accomplished and knowledgeable people.
Because they have done such a good job? We are in wars all over the place, 20 trillion in debt. This is what you want?

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I'm a college educated, tax paying military veteran that considers himself to be at least somewhat worldly, and I know damn well that I'm not qualified to be a senator. Kid Rock is a high school educated, half ass rock/rap star that hasn't accomplished much else. Hell, just go to Buffalo Wild Wings and get your 35 year old shift manager to run for senate.

This is a joke. Kid Rock as a senator is a laughable concept. If the people of Michigan are that damn stupid, then so be it.
I know very little about him but what I do know is that the "experts" have done a horrible job.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:12 PM
 
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If you want to have a serious discussion, let's have it.

But if you're suggesting that a lawyer who is a double Ivy Leaguer and a former state and U.S. senator has exactly the same qualifications as some Rock/rap dude that finished high school at best and hasn't shown any known propensity to lead, govern, or even manage complicated affairs...then you live in a very different world than i do, and you're wasting my time.
One had to be a total and complete idiot to think Syria was a good idea.
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Old 07-29-2017, 09:38 PM
 
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Because they have done such a good job? We are in wars all over the place, 20 trillion in debt. This is what you want?

I know very little about him but what I do know is that the "experts" have done a horrible job.
We are 20 trillion in debt because the overwhelming majority of Americans are addicted to big government, low taxes (without a cut in services), and worldwide hegemony. That's expensive.

Addictions are expensive, and Americans are like alcoholics in denial. Most think that they're rugged individualists that don't want or need big government...and 95 percent of those people are lying to themselves.

They claim that they don't want to be the world police, then elect people that promise to go to war against any idiot abroad that hasn't developed a taste for hot dogs, apple pie, and Budweiser. That's expensive.

They say that we have to take care of Americans first, but they want to spend hundreds of billions to defend wealthy nations that can defend themselves. That's expensive.

They claim to want to cut down on entitlements....until they find out that THEY'RE on more entitlements than they realized. However, they keep demanding tax cuts and they even approve of tax cuts for the wealthy. That's expensive.

Kid Rock isn't gonna change that. He'd come in with the same damn populist message that every other Republican would have, except that he'd have even less of a clue about the consequences because he has no proper education. He'd want war at the drop of a hat, more tax cuts, teachers carrying guns in school, no abortion, more military spending, deep cuts in social programs and education....the same old Republican crap we have now.

If Kid Rock shows me something about leading, or that he's got more education than The School of Hard Knocks (even though he was born to a wealth family), then maybe i'll see him different.

But for now, he's a political dilettante. When he's a serious human being, get back to me. LOL

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One had to be a total and complete idiot to think Syria was a good idea.
There's no such thing as a president that hasn't screwed the pooch. Obama is definitely no exception to that rule.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Link: https://delphianalytica.org/kidrock-stabenow-michigan/


He's leading Stabenow by 8 points.
OK, I gotta know...

The "Delphi Analytica" organization was created two weeks ago. It's a piece of astro turf.

Reps points to LTR if he was the one who put together this piece of astro turf!
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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OK, I gotta know...

The "Delphi Analytica" organization was created two weeks ago. It's a piece of astro turf.

Reps points to LTR if he was the one who put together this piece of astro turf!
The Trafalgar group also did a poll that had Rock at 48% and Stabenow at 46%. That's the ONLY pollster that correctly called the 2016 Presidential election.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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We are 20 trillion in debt because the overwhelming majority of Americans are addicted to big government, low taxes (without a cut in services), and worldwide hegemony. That's expensive.
Citizens can not take us into war. Citizens did not hand health care over to Wall Street.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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Citizens can not take us into war. Citizens did not hand health care over to Wall Street.
Citizens can definitely take us into war.

Since WW2, Americans have by and large backed every single war we've ever been in. If the American consensus was determined to be steadfastly Anti-War, we wouldn't go to war as often. The only reason why Nixon pulled us out of Vietnam was because people eventually saw it as futile. If he'd had the pro-war numbers that Johnson had, he would've escalated the war. We went into Iraq because the American people wanted us to to go into Iraq. The Bush Administration had the support of the overwhelming majority of Americans to invade pretty much any country he wanted to after 9/11.

As for healthcare, that's so labyrinthine that i won't even go into it.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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Citizens can definitely take us into war.
Citizens did not take us into war. It gets old dealing with people's fantasies.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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Citizens did not take us into war. It gets old dealing with people's fantasies.
I don't give a damn how old it gets, the citizenry did get us in a war with Iraq because they supported it and voted in people that voted for it too.

If you don't like what I'm saying, then go have a Snickers.
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Old 07-30-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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I don't give a damn how old it gets, the citizenry did get us in a war with Iraq because they supported it and voted in people that voted for it too.

If you don't like what I'm saying, then go have a Snickers.
George Bush did.
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