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Old 07-11-2008, 08:32 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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........... It is self-evident all Men are created equal ... whenever an form of government becomes destructive ... it is the right of the people to abolish it.
All men are created equal ... after that we should be on our own. We arrive equal and down the road the men get separated from the boys (substitute women and girls wherever you like).

And then the "haves" help out the "have nots" by creating jobs and, if they play their cards right, they move up the ladder and become the "haves". That's America ... that's the beauty of it. The opportunity is there for every one of us.

For some reason there are some who think that "equal" means you deserve the same as everyone else throughout your life no matter what you do.

That's socialism. As everyone here knows, there are Democrats who believe socialism is what is best for our country. It may be just a matter of time. Careful what you wish for ... objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

P.S. I'm married and I can post here on a Friday night And he doesn't even whine about it!
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:52 PM
 
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All men are created equal ... after that we should be on our own. We arrive equal and down the road the men get separated from the boys (substitute women and girls wherever you like).

And then the "haves" help out the "have nots" by creating jobs and, if they play their cards right, they move up the ladder and become the "haves". That's America ... that's the beauty of it. The opportunity is there for every one of us.

For some reason there are some who think that "equal" means you deserve the same as everyone else throughout your life no matter what you do.

That's socialism. As everyone here knows, there are Democrats who believe socialism is what is best for our country. It may be just a matter of time. Careful what you wish for ... objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

P.S. I'm married and I can post here on a Friday night And he doesn't even whine about it!
He disappeared after I said that. Wow I guess no self respecting youngun is going to admit it is Friday night and I ain't got nobody.
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:06 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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You lost me.

You said a huge shift in power is coming, and I responded in saying that it wont result in any change.

That isnt something that you "propose a realist alternative to" you simply dont vote for one of the two "popular" candidates right now...ie McCain or Obama because neither of them results in your hypothesis unless you mean the huge shift in power of going from Repubican to Democratic control.

Your implication was that voting in the opposition party will result in no substantive change.

I maintain that it will.

Millions of Americans have been awakened by the disaster of the Bush/Cheney years. It does make a difference who is elected. We've seen that weasely, self-serving chickenhawks can do tremendous damage to our country.

That will change.
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Old 07-12-2008, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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in part true. ameicans need to whine less and strive to do something about these rascals in DC that are selling us down the river. guns are good, they defend people from the bad guys. every household in bagdad is allowed one AK 47. we dont get none??, what's up with that? religion can be good, it can keep you focused and teach you how to avoid a lot of bad stuff.
"Every household in Bagdad is allowed one AK47.
Religion can be good it can teach you how to avoid a lot of bad stuff."

who was right!


I need another bottle whine!
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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Your implication was that voting in the opposition party will result in no substantive change.

I maintain that it will.

Millions of Americans have been awakened by the disaster of the Bush/Cheney years. It does make a difference who is elected. We've seen that weasely, self-serving chickenhawks can do tremendous damage to our country.

That will change.
Right...because Obama the savior will be so different.

All of the Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same.

Most of them want us to go to war with Iran already, and none of them have a clue how to spend tax money wisely.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:52 AM
 
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Right...because Obama the savior will be so different.

All of the Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same.

Most of them want us to go to war with Iran already, and none of them have a clue how to spend tax money wisely.


what about how well they manage their personal finances and their campaign accounts? Does that reveal anything?
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Old 07-12-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Right...because Obama the savior will be so different.

All of the Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same.

Most of them want us to go to war with Iran already, and none of them have a clue how to spend tax money wisely.

Don't think so.
I think many republican and democrats do not want a war with Iran.
I believe the Neocons (Cheney Rumsfeld) are the ones who do.
Thank God They have been so discredited their own party wants nothing to do with.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Right...because Obama the savior will be so different.

All of the Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same.

Most of them want us to go to war with Iran already, and none of them have a clue how to spend tax money wisely.

Following your logic, all politicians are cookie-cutter automatons who all pursue the same agenda. In other words, Bill Clinton = George W Bush = Ike Eisenhower = Teddy Roosevelt and so on.

Clearly absurd.

The incompetence, small-mindedness, and self-serving attitiude of the Bush/Cheney cabal has made Obama's candidacy possible. If Bush/Cheney had done a decent job the past eight years, Obama would be nothing more than a freshman senator from Illinois.

People do make a difference, both positively and negatively.
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Old 07-12-2008, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Are you talking about Democrats who live in inner city communities? Welfare recipients (democrats)?
Hmm...been following this line of thought and the corresponding comments afterwards and I'm just curious - for clarification of course. The implication is that all inner city folks are poor, welfare recipient Democrats. Is this correct?
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Old 07-12-2008, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The reason the jobs are outsourced there is because business taxes here are too high, second highest in the WORLD. Reduce the business taxes, reduce the personal income taxes on the "rich" and you wont have as many of those issues.
I'm surprised you didn't advocate abolishing all minimum wage laws so the people in Florida can be paid the same as those in the Bahamas--.50 an hour.
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