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Again, NONE OF YOUR POSTS goes back to the PRIMITIVE CLAIM. Like most Repugnicians you are skirting the orginial claim. Read through the posts and then come back with verifiable proof that PRIMITIVE people managed the wolves by killing the pups.
As an ecologist I fully understand that there are challenges in environmental management, but you need to read the ORIGINAL POST.
IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR ANYONE TO USE THE PRACTICE OF DENNING.
Again, if you are an Anthropologist you will be able to provide the ORGINAL proof that I asked for. Cheers.
Just who do you think were there in Alaska doing denning before Europeans got to Alaska? You may want to study the Alaskan Natives a bit more instead of making ignorant posts about them.
The scientists that participated on this committee are all very respected. I'm sure they've all been published in the scientific journals that you're so impressed by. You might try taking a look at the "book's" bibliography.
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NOTICE: The project that is the subject of this report was approved by the Governing Board of the National Research Council, whose members are drawn from the councils of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The members of the committee responsible for the report were chosen for their special competencies and with regard for appropriate balance. In preparing its report, the committee invited people with different perspectives to present their views. Such invitation does not imply endorsement of those views.
This report has been reviewed by a group other than the authors according to procedures approved by a Report Review Committee consisting of members of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine.
This study by the National Research Council’s Commission on Life Sciences was sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation under contract no. N01-OD-4-2139. Points of view in this document are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official position of the sponsoring agencies.
I really don't know why it's such a problem for you that indigenous people practiced denning. And no, I've never used that to support the practice of aerial wolf hunting; I don't support the practice at all.
And unlike you, I can actually do something about it. I can vote on it.
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Oh, and in case you aren't familiar with the Nation Academies, Barbie, this link can tell you a bit about them. Please take note of the number of Nobel Prize winners among it's members.
Alaskan natives for thousands of years searched for and killed wolf pups in their dens to control the population when needed. Sounds cruel but they knew overpopulation was worse for all involved: wolves, people, prey animals, etc.
Alaskan natives for thousands of years. All I asked for was documentation of primitive people controlling animal populations.
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Just who do you think were there in Alaska doing denning before Europeans got to Alaska? You may want to study the Alaskan Natives a bit more instead of making ignorant posts about them.
Mongolians?
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Now suppose you provide something from a "respected scientific journal" that disputes the fact that indigenous Alaskan people practiced denning.
I don't need to, you see I didn't make the original claim. You are to prove OR disprove your HYPOTHESIS.
It seems as tho I am having a conversation with two different people, yet their vernacular is very similiar... Hmmm.
And our political views are very dissimilar, but somehow we seem to be able to discuss them without eroding into unseemly shrieks of "Repugnican" et al.
I realize that you don't want to believe that Native Alaskans practiced this instead of hanging around in their igloos singing "kum bay ya"--but I'll take the word of a report published by the National Academy over your particular vision. Oh, and I'll take the word of Yu'Pik tribe members over yours as well.
Some advice--the next time the aerial hunting issue comes up for a vote among the people of Alaska--stay out of it. You hurt your cause much more than you helped it in this instance.
It was YOU, that espoused undocumented information.
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You hurt your cause much more than you helped it in this instance.
Dream on my friend...
To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
I accomplished EXACTLY what I set out to do on this thread. Inform others of the practice of denning, that you sanction, but yet it is illegal.
State biologists KNEW that there would be pups at the den in JUNE/JULY. Period. They were in direct violation of a LAW. Sarah Palin may believe, like the Cheney's and Bush's of the world that she is above the law (remember the email, troopergate, etc scandals). But these state employees need to reprimanded. As public servants these should NOT abuse their power.
I accomplished EXACTLY what I set out to do on this thread. Inform others of the practice of denning, that you sanction, but yet it is illegal.
You are so terribly wrong. You might want to do a search on my posts on this subject before further embarrassing yourself.
Arctichomesteader and I merely pointed out something that most people who live in Alaska already know; I don't see either one of us condoning the practice. Personally I'd like to see the end of it, and I was very much sickened by the actions of the state biologists.
However, if it is stopped, the Natives in Western Alaska will very likely request that the state allow them to continue their traditional practice of predator control.
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Dream on my friend...
The vote may have turned out differently if some of the voters hadn't been partially reacting to some of the misinformation provided by organizations such as PETA and "Friends" of Animals. Seriously, if it comes up for a vote again, the aerial wolf hunts will have a much better chance of being stopped if groups such as these stay out of it.
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