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Old 05-14-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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What are you talking about? There are no central urban areas in Western Europe without a Muslim presence.

Something tells me you're an American right winger who hasn't even been to Europe. The trend across Europe is conservative? From the same people who love their state funded healthcare insurance?
I'm Swedish and have lived in different places in Sweden, including "no-go zones" for almost 30 years now.
While I used to be on the left, and I used to be for the government healthcare etc that you mention, I'm not any longer. I used to think that the american way with private health insurance meant leaving people to die outside hospitals, but I've come to realize that the Swedish socialist way eventually leads to letting the government make new excuses to take more and more money while providing less and less quality of their services.

Our healthcare and school system are getting worse and worse. Then our socialdemocratic party says "oh the system needs more money", so they raise the taxes, and use the money for new idiotic things like the "Agency of gender equality" that was founded in January this year.

Well paying over $1000/month for just the governmental healthcare part of the taxes also means that when the government says your grandmother has to pay $20.000 to fix her teeth while; A syrian migrant gets the exact same treatment for 50 Swedish crowns which is like $6.

An average asylum immigrant in Sweden with all the pampering included costs about $110.000 the first year all in all, and about $75.000 on average every year the next 10 years after that according to Tino Sanadaji, a leading national economist in this field in Sweden.
On top of this we also have returning ISIS-terrorists who get free flats and easy-employment in leftist attempts to "attract them to a non-extremist life". Nice reward for raping women and beheading people in Syria, right?

You tend to get a bit less exhilarated by what you get for your taxmoney when you see where they spend it...socialism at work, because apparently when "everyone provides with their ability, and receive based on their needs", that means our elderly poor are worth significantly less than someone who our intelligence services have confirmed fought for ISIS for a couple of years.
Yeah I'm so excited about how great our tax money is being used for healthcare and education and stuff

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Southern Europe makes its money via tourism significantly and via foreign investment, of course they love multiculturalism. And I live in Southern Europe btw.
Ok here is on BIG difference; The go THROUGH you country, they STAY in mine.

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It does not really matter what some people think, and this is true all over the world, including in the US itself. The US states with the biggest economies are those that attract people and money from all around the world, and that will continue to happen.
There is a huge difference between attracting people and letting all in while throwing money on them.
Milton Friedman really summed it up back in the 70s;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzW6DNkP_8

And then we get to the race thing. When leftist are "calling out racists" nowdays, 99% of this is attacking people who just don't think that 3 workers year-salaries should be spent on an individual migrant, while our elderly have to live through their teeth rotting in their mouths, and women getting raped more and more often.
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:52 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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It still seems to be better than in the US, and Sweden's health care expenditure per capita is low:
https://www.internationalinsurance.c...ms-country.php
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I'm Swedish and have lived in different places in Sweden, including "no-go zones" for almost 30 years now.
While I used to be on the left, and I used to be for the government healthcare etc that you mention, I'm not any longer. I used to think that the american way with private health insurance meant leaving people to die outside hospitals, but I've come to realize that the Swedish socialist way eventually leads to letting the government make new excuses to take more and more money while providing less and less quality of their services.

Our healthcare and school system are getting worse and worse. Then our socialdemocratic party says "oh the system needs more money", so they raise the taxes, and use the money for new idiotic things like the "Agency of gender equality" that was founded in January this year.

Well paying over $1000/month for just the governmental healthcare part of the taxes also means that when the government says your grandmother has to pay $20.000 to fix her teeth while; A syrian migrant gets the exact same treatment for 50 Swedish crowns which is like $6.

An average asylum immigrant in Sweden with all the pampering included costs about $110.000 the first year all in all, and about $75.000 on average every year the next 10 years after that according to Tino Sanadaji, a leading national economist in this field in Sweden.
On top of this we also have returning ISIS-terrorists who get free flats and easy-employment in leftist attempts to "attract them to a non-extremist life". Nice reward for raping women and beheading people in Syria, right?

You tend to get a bit less exhilarated by what you get for your taxmoney when you see where they spend it...socialism at work, because apparently when "everyone provides with their ability, and receive based on their needs", that means our elderly poor are worth significantly less than someone who our intelligence services have confirmed fought for ISIS for a couple of years.
Yeah I'm so excited about how great our tax money is being used for healthcare and education and stuff



Ok here is on BIG difference; The go THROUGH you country, they STAY in mine.



There is a huge difference between attracting people and letting all in while throwing money on them.
Milton Friedman really summed it up back in the 70s;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzW6DNkP_8

And then we get to the race thing. When leftist are "calling out racists" nowdays, 99% of this is attacking people who just don't think that 3 workers year-salaries should be spent on an individual migrant, while our elderly have to live through their teeth rotting in their mouths, and women getting raped more and more often.

Absolutely not true. Lots of immigrants stay in Southern Europe, for a variety of reasons. Spain, Portugal, and Italy all have large immigrant populations. And yes these immigrants get citizenship.

And you're misrepresenting immigration. Lots of immigrants come to Europe as STUDENTS from "poor" countries or arrive on work visas. It's absolutely not true that they all come seeking asylum. The ones coming on visas have to prove financial viability.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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https://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_...shtml#Germanic

I actually read somewhere that surprisingly many Brits do not only have Germanic ancestry, but specifically German, although they don't like to hear that of course

Tere was actually found in the same study that there are more who have genetic links to France than to Germany.


[quote=erasure;51881533]This one?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUlev-6LOpM

Agree. If someone would have told me that she was ethnic German, I wouldn't question it. ( I totally understand the variety of looks in Germans.)
It takes more than just "hair color" or "eye color" to tell Europeans apart from non-Europeans. [/quote=erasure;51881533]


I am sorry but this woman doesnt look german, I would guess her a variety of nationalities , and even Turkish rather than German, and I have also lived in the South of Germany, I dont recall any ethnic German looking like her.. and it goes beyond hair/eye color but her nose and facial structure scream no-german.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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I don't get what's so terrible about those forecasts. Almost all those countries will still be 80%+ or even 90%+ white. I hope we will be spared the absurd whining of certain white Americans, as if whites were dying out or anything. People who find 80%+ white too dark, should go and visit India or South Africa or some country like that. When they get back home, they will notice how white Europe is.

There is not such thing as White in Europe, it is American obsession, what matters in europe is being culturally compatible or at least non-harmful for the host culture/mentality.


Even if there would be anything like "whiteness" in Europe, people in Germany or Scandinavia dont seem people from SOuthern or Eastern Europe to be the same as them, as the "European feeling" is highly artificial and imposed during the last 50 years for economic reasons. There is a big Divide between Latin vs Germanic vs Slavic.. and there is also the UK/Ireland who are a world withing themselves and more pulled to commonwhealt countries.. and there is Russia who is a world on its own despite being the Largest Slavic country.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Interesting read:
There's no such thing as a 'pure' European
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:18 PM
 
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I think some people are still stuck with the idea that in the European family, Germanics are the only pure bunch and truly White, while their Southern and Northern counterparts are the result of miscegenation with "Arabs". In a way their stance is understandable. After all, the genesis of each Nation is based much more on myth than reality, and some folks truly believe all their ancestry were tall, blue-eyed blonde vikings without any exception.
Nonetheless, a quick walk through the streets of Berlin, Dortmund, Amsterdam, Brussels, or Paris will prove you otherwise. The Northeastern phenotype is this, whether you like or not.


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Old 05-14-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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This one?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUlev-6LOpM

Agree. If someone would have told me that she was ethnic German, I wouldn't question it. ( I totally understand the variety of looks in Germans.)
It takes more than just "hair color" or "eye color" to tell Europeans apart from non-Europeans. [/quote=erasure;51881533]


I am sorry but this woman doesnt look german, I would guess her a variety of nationalities , and even Turkish rather than German, and I have also lived in the South of Germany, I dont recall any ethnic German looking like her.. and it goes beyond hair/eye color but her nose and facial structure scream no-german.
No she doesn't look like someone from SOUTHERN Germany, but Eastern part of Germany? Yes.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/69383650494017116/


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/69383650493831389/
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Old 05-15-2018, 01:58 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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I think some people are still stuck with the idea that in the European family, Germanics are the only pure bunch and truly White, while their Southern and Northern counterparts are the result of miscegenation with "Arabs". In a way their stance is understandable. After all, the genesis of each Nation is based much more on myth than reality, and some folks truly believe all their ancestry were tall, blue-eyed blonde vikings without any exception.
Nonetheless, a quick walk through the streets of Berlin, Dortmund, Amsterdam, Brussels, or Paris will prove you otherwise. The Northeastern phenotype is this, whether you like or not.

One of the more 'sensible' posts amongst a sea of daft stereotyping.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:19 AM
 
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I think some people are still stuck with the idea that in the European family, Germanics are the only pure bunch and truly White, while their Southern and Northern counterparts are the result of miscegenation with "Arabs". In a way their stance is understandable. After all, the genesis of each Nation is based much more on myth than reality, and some folks truly believe all their ancestry were tall, blue-eyed blonde vikings without any exception.
Nonetheless, a quick walk through the streets of Berlin, Dortmund, Amsterdam, Brussels, or Paris will prove you otherwise. The Northeastern phenotype is this, whether you like or not.


Most of those pictured people arent real germans..


those are ethnic Germans, (although a few asians, africans, middle easterns and sudlanders appear in the picture aswell)


https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktue...denten-und.jpg


http://static2.wn.de/var/storage/ima...1024_width.jpg
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