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Old 09-04-2020, 01:15 PM
DKM
 
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I am watching the latest developments in Ukraine; now Zelensky canceled out the local elections on controlled by Ukraine Donbass territories, because according to the polls, if the elections were held today, his party "Servant of the people" would get only 6%, while the "Oppostion Platform" - 75%.


So he simply prohibited elections there, depriving half million of people of their vote.

So that they'd stop "attacking Ukraine" apparently.
Nope, just more made up fake news from your Russian propaganda. Another example of Russia trying to paint Ukraine as a bad actor as a result of its war conducted against Ukraine. The only elections not being held are the ones on the 18 towns right on the front lines. The reason is they are still in an active military zone, and run by the military for security reasons. There are hardly any people there but soldiers and pensioners anyway. And Ze didn't cancel them, as Ukraine is not a dictatorship, but rather the CEC of Ukraine decided to after consulting with the military about how to exercise executive and emergency powers.

In related news, the Russian head of the trilateral contact group went on a rampage when he was asked to allow Ukraine's Donbass representatives to speak at the meeting. Russia thought only their goons in Donbass should be presently allowed to speak and no other Ukrainians from Donetsk (who don't agree with Russia) should be there. I still don't see how this will fix anything and its really time to close the Donbass border and let Russia run it like they do Crimea.
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:39 PM
 
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Nope, just more made up fake news from your Russian propaganda. Another example of Russia trying to paint Ukraine as a bad actor as a result of its war conducted against Ukraine. The only elections not being held are the ones on the 18 towns right on the front lines. The reason is they are still in an active military zone, and run by the military for security reasons. There are hardly any people there but soldiers and pensioners anyway. And Ze didn't cancel them, as Ukraine is not a dictatorship, but rather the CEC of Ukraine decided to after consulting with the military about how to exercise executive and emergency powers.

You mean after Ze *consulted* with the Nazi corps that are stationed in Donbass?
But of course they would deem the elections held in those areas "impossible" and most of all - undesirable for the reasons I mentioned above.

"Executive and emergency powers" are just the fancy words to cover up this nonsense.

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In related news, the Russian head of the trilateral contact group went on a rampage when he was asked to allow Ukraine's Donbass representatives to speak at the meeting. Russia thought only their goons in Donbass should be presently allowed to speak and no other Ukrainians from Donetsk (who don't agree with Russia) should be there. I still don't see how this will fix anything and its really time to close the Donbass border and let Russia run it like they do Crimea.
You mean Kiev's goons?
They can negotiate with each other in Kiev all they want.
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Old 09-04-2020, 03:17 PM
 
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I have no interest in debating Russia's version of events that occurred six or more years ago. Go ahead and believe whatever you want, I don't care.
You don't have an answer other than what you were spoon fed.
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Old 09-04-2020, 04:17 PM
 
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OK, today's "60 minutes."


The relations between Ukraine and Belorussia are going down the drain and fast within the last couple of days.

Lukashenko's name is added to "Mirotvoretz" site for refusal to extradite 31 Russians ( some of them former Ukrainian Donbass fighters) to Ukraine.
Poroshenko's party staged the flashmob in Rada, chanting the slogan of Belorussian Nationalists, and stating that "there is no free Ukraine without free Belorussia."
Obviously, they had high hopes that Belorussia would be pushed on the same path as Ukraine; hence presence of Belorussian nationalists in the fighting pro-Ukrainian units in Donbass and presence of Ukrainian nationalists in Belorussia.
Lukashenko shuts down the border with Ukraine completely.

Another important detail for me personally; a regular Ukrainian guest on the show, when asked by the host "So you hoped that Belorussia would be pushed to the same destruction as your country was ( Ukraine that is,)" answers "Ukraine is NOT destroyed - out country is still there all right, but it's in a crisis."

So this is a confirmation right there for me that everything that the bloggers from Eastern Ukraine are talking about is actually true.
The failed attempt to sway Belorussia away from Russia was yet another blow for official Kiev in a bigger picture.

The local elections are nearing in Ukraine, and it will be interesting to see how Zelensky's "Servant of the poeple" party is going to fair.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GsGT2G8iJk


Mishustin is already in Belorussia of course, and I already saw the report on Warsaw-Berlin tape released by Lukashenko to Moscow, regarding Navalny's case. ( From yet another blogger.)

Overall if I'd express my opinion watching Lukashenko and his complete turnaround in relations with Moscow - this looks like something very personal on his part to me.

I think he didn't expect such betrayal of the West after his warm welcoming of Pompeo; he regards it as a stab in the back.

And as I've mentioned earlier, in Russian culture such things are not taken lightly.
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Old 09-04-2020, 04:36 PM
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Okay so the only people from the Donbass to be listened to are the ones who Russia controls. People from Donetsk who don't support Russia are "goons". Doesn't matter who is from where, listening to them is only a matter of what they are prepared to say and whether Russia agrees to it.

Luka seeks enemies where there are none (EU and Ukraine). It's one of the requirements for autocracy to legitimize itself.

Yes Ukraine has 2 crises going on. Covid and the Russian war in Donbas. Both will be resolved eventually. Ukraine is Belarus's 2nd largest export market after Russia. If Luka wants to find other markets for his slave factories then he is welcome to.

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Old 09-04-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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Okay so the only people from the Donbass to be listened to are the ones who Russia controls.

This is correct.

The only people that stayed in DNR/LDNR and supported their independence from the new illegal government in Kiev should be consulted with.

The rest are the collaborators with this illegal regime and shouldn't be taken in consideration.

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People from Donetsk who don't support Russia are "goons".
The ones that live in "controlled by Ukraine territory" - yes, they are.


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Doesn't matter who is from where, listening to them is only a matter of what they are prepared to say and whether Russia agrees to it.
In this civil war, where Russia supports Donbass and Americans support Western part of Ukraine, it's obvious that negotiations can be held only between the illegal government in Kiev and representatives of the DNR/LDNR.

( I know that Zelensky's team is trying to wiggle out of the situation that Poroshenko put him in and they are trying to come with this ridiculous kind of "solutions" trying to insert in negotiations "some other representatives of Donbass," the kind that would serve THEIR purpose, but it's laughable to say the least.)


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Luka seeks enemies where there are none (EU and Ukraine). It's one of the requirements for autocracy to legitimize itself.
Surrrre)))



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Yes Ukraine has 2 crises going on. Covid and the Russian war in Donbas. Both will be resolved eventually.
Another big "surrreee"
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Old 09-06-2020, 10:42 AM
 
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Rotflamo.
Sharij's party started an action "Have you seen him/her?" in Ukraine.
They are looking for "boys and girls" of Zelensky's party, its deputies for whom people voted last time and whom they've never seen ever since.

They all remember what these deputies promised to them during their election campaigns, but after they were voted in the local offices, they disappeared in the thin air, never to be seen by the locals again.

Sharij's people are collecting signatures to send petition to Zelensky government with request to recall these people from their districts.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZxD9AiopIg
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Old 09-06-2020, 08:07 PM
 
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Tomorrow is the 7th of September - that's a deadline that Denis Pushilin ( head of the DNR) gave to Ukrainian army to remove the new fortification that Ukrainian troops built on the neutral territory during the truce.

This attempt to advance Ukrainian positions during cease fire is in direct violation of the agreements.

So Pushilin gave them time to remove it, if not - he said he is going to destroy it tomorrow, comes the 7th of September.
He notified the OSCE and asked Ukrainian troops to leave the area by 8:00 A.M.

"We don't need any casualties" he said.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtfR6coIZ3Q&t=625s
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Old 09-07-2020, 06:10 PM
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And nothing happened... because once again it was your 1000th post of fake news about Ukraine.
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Old 09-07-2020, 06:55 PM
 
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And nothing happened... because once again it was your 1000th post of fake news about Ukraine.

Oh you need the update - sorry...


OK, judging by what Strana UA ( and other Ukrainian sources) are reporting, Ukrainian military sure heard the DNR's warning and started some activities in the pinpointed area. ( They were trying to gather the "contact group" urgently because of this threat, but to no avail.)

But DNR people can't figure out at this point whether Ukrainian military is dismantling the fortification or reinforcing it, so they gave it a time - couple more days to figure it out.

Because really, DNR is not interested in breaking cease-fire on one hand ( unless it's necessary,) and Zelensky doesn't want more trouble, because the local elections are taking place next month already, and he ( and hence his party) want to claim at least SOME credit for relative peace in Donbass.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftrpxWYDIJU



https://dnl.com.ua/news/ultimatum-pu...tyabrya_145538


So we'll have to wait a bit more for DNR report on their conclusions, because then the actions will follow ( if still necessary,) or there will be no need, if Ukrainian troops complied.

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