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Old 03-01-2022, 07:45 PM
 
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… Does bombing Ukraine make it less poor? Do you imagine the numbers of all those old and sick Ukrainians that lost their life supportive services because of Russian aggression? Don't forget about abandoned pets. Reptiloid Vlad is covered in blood of not just humans. Do they make message board bots? I am way behind the curve on technology. "Occupied by NATO" is a gem, keep on tuning that AI up.
I am impressed that you are concerned about supportive services and abandoned pets - sounds like you have never been to that part of the world - they have always had cats and dogs living by themselves outside…
That is one thing which is disturbing to me, the well wishers feed them.. but still very sad.

I am curious what do you think of Ukrainian government bombing and shelling the schools, hospitals, rural housing for many years in Eastern Ukraine?

Look at the dates: years before current events unfolded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

https://theirworld.org/news/ukraine-...ers-landmines/

https://www.unicef.org/stories/schoo...astern-ukraine

Wow! Was trying to show you some videos of civilians bombed on the streets by the Ukraine government- and the video of the monument to the children killed by Ukraine -shocked to find out that it is scrubbed from the YT?

Are we becoming China? ( Though I know - you won’t change your mind, but may be you would take it down a notch?- the government of Ukraine was bombing their own citizens for 8 years - and you don’t have a problem with that ? Not that Putin is right)

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Old 03-01-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Why would ANY country allow another to dictate these stipulations in order to avoid being invaded? Bar an elected official to run for office, barred from entering the EU or NATO, allow Russian separatists to infiltrate and then consume parts of their nation? Imagine what would happen if Russia demanded China Xi step down as leader of China and allow Tibet to vote on their independence from China? Why should this be any different?
I think we need to stop replying to the posts that propose the most ridiculous validation of the demands of a madman. It's totally pointless.

My next door neighbor recently decided she didn't like where I keep my trash cans, so she moved them over from my back gate to below my kitchen window. When I saw what she did, I returned my trash can to where I have always kept it. A few hours later, she's moved it again. I put it back again. When she heard that I moved it back, she came scrambling out to tell me to stop putting my trash can there. I told her that I will kindly ask that she stop touching my property. She stated that I need to keep it off "her" property. She was talking about an area that is on my side of the property line. I looked her straight in the eye, and told her that the trash can is my property, and I keep it on my property. Once she realized I wasn't going to acquiesce to her loony demands, she turned around and said, whatever, and walked back into her house.

It is simply preposterous what some people think they are entitled to, and they need to have their hands swatted with a firm NO. Not even going to open it up for debate on topics that someone has no jurisdiction over. Absolutely ridiculous to think another country believes they can demand who is allowed to run for president of Ukraine, or any other sovereign nation.
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Old 03-01-2022, 08:18 PM
 
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I think we need to stop replying to the posts that propose the most ridiculous validation of the demands of a madman. It's totally pointless.

…Absolutely ridiculous to think another country believes they can demand who is allowed to run for president of Ukraine, or any other sovereign nation.
You mean, like when we decided we didn’t want Assad to be in charge of Syria?
Or that guy we didn’t like in the Ukraine earlier - a few years ago -- who had to run for his life?
Or whatever his name in Venezuela?
Or that guy we helped to hang in Iraq?
Or that guy who was elected in Belorussia?

The list may go on… but I give up..

Totally agree with you. Totally
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Old 03-01-2022, 08:40 PM
rfb
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I think we need to stop replying to the posts that propose the most ridiculous validation of the demands of a madman. It's totally pointless.
That is probably good advice. City-Data is one of the few social media sites that allow false news to be posted, and it is hard to watch it happen. That probably says more about City-Data than anything else and makes me wonder whether the site is worth visiting.
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Old 03-01-2022, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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You mean, like when we decided we didn’t want Assad to be in charge of Syria?
Or that guy we didn’t like in the Ukraine earlier - a few years ago -- who had to run for his life?
Or whatever his name in Venezuela?
Or that guy we helped to hang in Iraq?
Or that guy who was elected in Belorussia?

The list may go on… but I give up..

Totally agree with you. Totally
- Assad is a repressive autocrat who butchers his own people with great joy.
- Viktor Yaunkovych was a Putin puppet, a traitor to his country, a spectacular thief who took billions from Ukraine, and a murderer, who has his people shot when they tried to protest his treason and thievery.
- Sadaam Hussein was an ardent student of Josef Stalin. Hussein was a bloodthirsty dictator who attacked Kuwait and who used chemical weapons on his own people

Of course, these people are great heroes in Russia, because they are some of the worst men ever to walk the earth. But the earth would be cleaner, if they were all buried in the soil.

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Old 03-01-2022, 09:31 PM
 
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I am impressed that you are concerned about supportive services and abandoned pets - sounds like you have never been to that part of the world - they have always had cats and dogs living by themselves outside…
That is one thing which is disturbing to me, the well wishers feed them.. but still very sad.

I am curious what do you think of Ukrainian government bombing and shelling the schools, hospitals, rural housing for many years in Eastern Ukraine?

Look at the dates: years before current events unfolded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

https://theirworld.org/news/ukraine-...ers-landmines/

https://www.unicef.org/stories/schoo...astern-ukraine

Wow! Was trying to show you some videos of civilians bombed on the streets by the Ukraine government- and the video of the monument to the children killed by Ukraine -shocked to find out that it is scrubbed from the YT?

Are we becoming China? ( Though I know - you won’t change your mind, but may be you would take it down a notch?- the government of Ukraine was bombing their own citizens for 8 years - and you don’t have a problem with that ? Not that Putin is right)
Another Russian info trooper? Putin jump started a hybrid war in Donbass in 2014 by inundating it with special ops and volunteer Empire re-creators and simply thugs from Russia. They cleansed the area of 1 + million of pro Ukrainian people and created a grey zone where terror, murder, torture and ruthlessness rule (of course Russian regular army standed behind their backs and supplied all their heavy weapons and logistical needs). When needed, Russian army intervened directly. How do you feel about that? Your actions to counteract that? Donbas thugs have no inhibitions about violating each and every moral norm or rule of war in the name of Empire, or just because it was their fiefdom they could do whatever. Just like mad dog Vlad can do whatever with his fiefdom. Placing heavy weapons in residential areas to shell Ukrainian troops was their favorite trick. Your actions? Btw one could be tortured and killed for just speaking in Ukrainian in Donbas, for REAL, not these fake Russian speaker abuses Russian nazis came up with. Your actions?

Let me guess your actions. Give Vlad whatever he wants. It is just too bad he want to destroy Ukrainian state, language, culture, identity to turn Ukraine into another Belarus, the land of 100% subjugated people without any item listed above.

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Old 03-01-2022, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Why would ANY country allow another to dictate these stipulations in order to avoid being invaded? Bar an elected official to run for office, barred from entering the EU or NATO, allow Russian separatists to infiltrate and then consume parts of their nation? Imagine what would happen if Russia demanded China Xi step down as leader of China and allow Tibet to vote on their independence from China? Why should this be any different?

Because China is more powerful than Russia while Russia is more powerful than Ukraine and extending the conflict would cost Ukraine dearly in human and material losses? It's pretty obvious IMO that any diplomatic solution that ends the shooting and leaves Ukraine as a country intact should be entertained if you care about the innocent civilians there. Easy to say "fight til the death" when you ain't doing the fighting or the dying.



But you're also wrong on one count, the "Russian separatists" were already in Ukraine. In 2014, it was an almost evenly split country between pro-Western and pro-Russian people. When the pro-Western people got rid of the elected president then, it wasn't all that surprising that the pro-Russian side would do something in response in the areas where they dominated. Those rumblings had existed for a while.
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Old 03-01-2022, 11:49 PM
 
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I am impressed that you are concerned about supportive services and abandoned pets - sounds like you have never been to that part of the world - they have always had cats and dogs living by themselves outside…
That is one thing which is disturbing to me, the well wishers feed them.. but still very sad.

I am curious what do you think of Ukrainian government bombing and shelling the schools, hospitals, rural housing for many years in Eastern Ukraine?

Look at the dates: years before current events unfolded.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_of_Angels

https://theirworld.org/news/ukraine-...ers-landmines/

https://www.unicef.org/stories/schools-and-bomb-shelters-education-eastern-ukraine
Nope, never happened.

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Wow! Was trying to show you some videos of civilians bombed on the streets by the Ukraine government- and the video of the monument to the children killed by Ukraine -shocked to find out that it is scrubbed from the YT?
And why are you trying to find such inconvenient things?

Why don't you like to be like everyone else, and to be programmed somewhere within these terms -

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"- Assad is a repressive autocrat who butchers his own people with great joy.
- Viktor Yaunkovych was a Putin puppet, a traitor to his country, a spectacular thief who took billions from Ukraine, and a murderer, who has his people shot when they tried to protest his treason and thievery.
- Sadaam Hussein was an ardent student of Josef Stalin. Hussein was a bloodthirsty dictator who attacked Kuwait and who used chemical weapons on his own people "
Don't try to scrutinize any of it, you've already been given all the *correct* answers, just repeat after them, and all will be good.


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Are we becoming China? ( Though I know - you won’t change your mind, but may be you would take it down a notch?- the government of Ukraine was bombing their own citizens for 8 years - and you don’t have a problem with that ? Not that Putin is right)
Not yet, but getting there, slowly but surely.
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Old 03-02-2022, 02:53 AM
 
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In 2014, it was an almost evenly split country between pro-Western and pro-Russian people.

Actually if Ukraine wins this it will be seen as diplomatic disaster for America, because the way Tucker Carson sees it and many others "if countries big like us - aka Russia - fail against the useless eastern european countries, then they can win against us too".
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Old 03-02-2022, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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- Assad is a repressive autocrat who butchers his own people with great joy.
- Viktor Yaunkovych was a Putin puppet, a traitor to his country, a spectacular thief who took billions from Ukraine, and a murderer, who has his people shot when they tried to protest his treason and thievery.
- Sadaam Hussein was an ardent student of Josef Stalin. Hussein was a bloodthirsty dictator who attacked Kuwait and who used chemical weapons on his own people

Of course, these people are great heroes in Russia, because they are some of the worst men ever to walk the earth. But the earth would be cleaner, if they were all buried in the soil.
- No, he doesn't butcher with joy. He fought a civil war ruthlessly, there is a difference.

- No, he was not a Putin puppet. And the right sector were the ones shooting protestors.
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