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Old 10-01-2022, 01:31 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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One side has a right to..........the 'side' that hasn't broken international law! Until Putin and his cronies withdraw their illegal occupation they have NO say in anything.
It doesn't matter in terms of ansering the question, who had a right to request the investigation; the question still stands: was there an investigation, and if so, what were the results? Where is that report? I can only guess, that it never took place, or else it would have ended up in the news.
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:33 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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It doesn't matter who had a right to; the question still stands: was there an investigation, and if so, what were the results? Where is that report? I can only guess, that it never took place, or else it would have ended up in the news.
Yes it does! Russia has illegally invaded a separate sovereign state, its EXACTLY what Hitler did, until Russia b*ggers off out of somebody else's country they have NO say in anything! End of.

Get back to us when the murdering warmongers have gone home.
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Old 10-01-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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Did you read what I wrote? Not giving land up for cash, but for peace and survival, and trying to get cash in addition to that. If you prefer to fight & think you can win, go right ahead; it is ultimately not my war one way or another (since I don't think Russian ambitions are global. Russia has just removed itself from the global community). I also don't think the USA has established any global order, or has worked for it. The USA works for its own interests (which is normal; every country does).
Giving up Crimea without fight did not satiate Russian nazi beast, didn't it? Giving up good chunks of Donbas in 2014 did not satiate Russia. It is not just giving up land, it is signing up for genocide of Ukrainians in the occupied areas. Russian nazi mindset does not allow for existence of Ukraine/Ukrainians. The fascist regime in Kremlin will not leave Ukraine alone, simple as that. You severely underestimate the extent of the Russian supremacist megalomania. It is not just global, it is interdimmensional, spiritual, cosmic and Universe wide. It is off the global charts. The only limiting factor is Russian inaptitude, yet the Russians can even work inaptitude in their supremacist mythology. Google the craziness whenever you have a moment. The subject is too vast.
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:24 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Yes it does! Russia has illegally invaded a separate sovereign state, its EXACTLY what Hitler did, until Russia b*ggers off out of somebody else's country they have NO say in anything! End of.

Get back to us when the murdering warmongers have gone home.
Whether Russia has the right to ask for an investigation isn't relevant to the answer to the question. The answer to the question, in case you were wondering, seems to be that the UN hasn't investigated that particular incident. Ukraine is investigating on its own all the war crimes against its people. The UN carried out investigations in certain cities: Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv. Since you don't seem interested, I'll let you look it up if you want more info.


The UN report did mention this, btw.
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Ukrainian forces were also responsible for human rights violations, said Commissioner Pablo de Greiff: “We have found two instances of ill-treatment of Russian Federation soldiers by Ukrainian soldiers, and we mentioned this in our statement.
Both sides are required to observe the Geneva Conventions, no matter who started the war.
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Old 10-02-2022, 06:58 AM
 
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Why haven’t Russian citizens fought for Russia to become a democracy?

I understand that Boris Yeltsin is considered to be a disaster and that Putin is popular and improved life for Russians.

But freedom, democracy and the rule of law will protect and help people most over the long run.

Unlike other countries in Europe, even Orthodox/Slavic ones, why don’t Russians want democracy?
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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Why haven’t Russian citizens fought for Russia to become a democracy?

I understand that Boris Yeltsin is considered to be a disaster and that Putin is popular and improved life for Russians.

But freedom, democracy and the rule of law will protect and help people most over the long run.

Unlike other countries in Europe, even Orthodox/Slavic ones, why don’t Russians want democracy?


It's not democracy , already a form of government destined to be greatly dysfunctional in any non comparatively small and very like minded society , that Russia needs but a semi constitutional monarchy in the vein of how the Empire's monarchy functioned between 1905 and 1917 .

Having the immediate younger relations of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen ascend the throne would be far preferable to having Russia continue it's thoroughly failed experiment with democracy :


https://royallineofsuccession.com/hs...ich-leiningen/

Last edited by William Blakeley; 10-02-2022 at 08:46 AM..
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:19 AM
 
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Unlike other countries in Europe, even Orthodox/Slavic ones, why don’t Russians want democracy?

Because they don't want to end up as EU vassals and sink like Romania/Bulgaria for starters. They want to be independent except Putin isn't the best choice, but that's a different story. I have a feeling Navalny will be an improvement who knows.
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:07 AM
 
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Because they don't want to end up as EU vassals and sink like Romania/Bulgaria for starters. They want to be independent except Putin isn't the best choice, but that's a different story. I have a feeling Navalny will be an improvement who knows.
Thanks; understood. But Russia could be a democracy and not be an EU vassal. It’s possible to be both.
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Old 10-02-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: france
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Because they don't want to end up as EU vassals and sink like Romania/Bulgaria for starters. They want to be independent except Putin isn't the best choice, but that's a different story. I have a feeling Navalny will be an improvement who knows.



You really beleive it's european union and not communism who destroyed thoses countries?
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:20 AM
 
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It's not democracy , already a form of government destined to be greatly dysfunctional in any non comparatively small and very like minded society , that Russia needs but a semi constitutional monarchy in the vein of how the Empire's monarchy functioned between 1905 and 1917 .

Having the immediate younger relations of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen ascend the throne would be far preferable to having Russia continue it's thoroughly failed experiment with democracy :


https://royallineofsuccession.com/hs...ich-leiningen/
In retrospect, Putin would have been better off if he had made himself a largely ceremonial Czar a few years ago, making Russia a monarchy again. Now his future may be limited, and Russia hasn’t been kind to its own failed autocrats.
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