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According to the criminal article about fakes, only Yashin is in prison (and this is good). Everything else (fines, foreign status, etc.) is not a prison. Do not mislead people.
Ever heard of this guy? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...information%22.
So, this is some kind of "catch and release" operation going on?
Don't people end up in prison when arrested/detained (for a different point of view)?
2300 people arrested during protests - after Putin declared mobilization in September.
Arrests don't count?
Where do they end up after being arrested and detained - in sanatoriums?
Ever heard of this guy? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...information%22.
So, this is some kind of "catch and release" operation going on?
Don't people end up in prison when arrested/detained (for a different point of view)?
2300 people arrested during protests - after Putin declared mobilization in September.
Arrests don't count?
Where do they end up after being arrested and detained - in sanatoriums?
I could be wrong, but I remember watching some Russian YouTubers and TickTokers about being detained by police during protests and what others should do when in similar situation, such as having a lawyer ready, making sure your phone is fully charged, video tape everything for evidence etc. and from what they said most of the time they just hold you for the rest of the day, make your day as miserable as possible, fine you (a pretty substantial amount from what it seems) and then release you. Maybe things have changed and more and more people are actually being thrown in jail/prison, but that seems mostly reserved for opposition leaders, activists, influencers, repeat offenders and other high profile people?
I could be wrong, but I remember watching some Russian YouTubers and TickTokers about being detained by police during protests and what others should do when in similar situation, such as having a lawyer ready, making sure your phone is fully charged, video tape everything for evidence etc. and from what they said most of the time they just hold you for the rest of the day, make your day as miserable as possible, fine you (a pretty substantial amount from what it seems) and then release you. Maybe things have changed and more and more people are actually being thrown in jail/prison, but that seems mostly reserved for opposition leaders, activists, influencers, repeat offenders and other high profile people?
^^^Those guys make to the news.
And, the recent convicted or about to be are Alexander Nevzorov, Ilya Azar.
Russian Human rights groups - are shut down, dissolved or declared "Foreign Agent" - like Memorial (Nobel prize laurate), one of the oldest human rights group Moscow Helsinki Group, Vesna, etc.
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And, the recent convicted or about to be are Alexander Nevzorov, Ilya Azar.
Nevzorov and Azar are abroad, not in prison. I clarified with my friends that there are indeed people in prison under this criminal article. Mostly political, since the law initially provides for a monetary fine and only then a prison. All adequate stop at a fine.
Russian Human rights groups - are shut down, dissolved or declared "Foreign Agent" - like Memorial (Nobel prize laurate), one of the oldest human rights group Moscow Helsinki Group, Vesna, etc.
Yes, because most Russian’s are “not interested in politics”, but as Russian’s are slowly beginning to understand "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." -Pericles
Yes, because most Russian’s are “not interested in politics”, but as Russian’s are slowly beginning to understand "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." -Pericles
This is not quite true. Russians have been building a more or less normal life with Putin for the last 20 years. And the majority of Russian do not live badly in general. And when Navalny (or someone else) starts saying "Putin is a thief, I want to take his place!", Russians say "OK, what are you better for? Why should we break our lives for your promises?" And Navalny (and none of the oppositionists, maybe with the exception of Limonov) could not answer this question. Therefore, Russians do not mind that the state hid the troublemaker in prison, they just do not understand why Navalny can be better. But they understand that he may be worse (for example, he will give Crimea to Ukraine for receiving US support). Russians don't want big changes because the last changes before Putin weren't good.
And Russians can laugh at the elections and their rigging.
This is not quite true. Russians have been building a more or less normal life with Putin for the last 20 years. And the majority of Russian do not live badly in general. And when Navalny (or someone else) starts saying "Putin is a thief, I want to take his place!", Russians say "OK, what are you better for? Why should we break our lives for your promises?" And Navalny (and none of the oppositionists, maybe with the exception of Limonov) could not answer this question. Therefore, Russians do not mind that the state hid the troublemaker in prison, they just do not understand why Navalny can be better. But they understand that he may be worse (for example, he will give Crimea to Ukraine for receiving US support). Russians don't want big changes because the last changes before Putin weren't good.
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There's a saying in Russia, that basically communicates the idea, that it's better to stay with the leader you know, than to switch horses in midstream, and opt for an unknown entity, a "pig in a poke" the say in English. In Russian: "кот в мешке". Back when Clinton was running for President the first time, Russians told me it was better to stick with George HW Bush, because Clinton was a "кот в мешке". You can't trust the unknown. But Americans voted for change and for Clinton's promise to improve the economy, which he did achieve.
But there were/are Russians, who thought the country was headed in a good direction; they felt that gradually, step by step, their President was rebuilding the economy, and the future looked bright. Some of them were shocked and deeply disillusioned upon hearing of the "special military operation" in Ukraine. Not everyone is waving flags.
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This is not quite true. Russians have been building a more or less normal life with Putin for the last 20 years. And the majority of Russian do not live badly in general. And when Navalny (or someone else) starts saying "Putin is a thief, I want to take his place!", Russians say "OK, what are you better for? Why should we break our lives for your promises?" And Navalny (and none of the oppositionists, maybe with the exception of Limonov) could not answer this question. Therefore, Russians do not mind that the state hid the troublemaker in prison, they just do not understand why Navalny can be better. But they understand that he may be worse (for example, he will give Crimea to Ukraine for receiving US support). Russians don't want big changes because the last changes before Putin weren't good.
And Russians can laugh at the elections and their rigging.
In May 2022, Shevchuk was charged under the war censorship law after speaking out against Putin and the war in Ukraine at a concert in Ufa, declaring: “The motherland, my friends, is not the president’s ass that has to be slobbered and kissed all the time, the motherland is an impoverished old woman at the train station selling potatoes.”
More on Shevchuk here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ncs0anYCI
Here he answered a lot of questions that I had.
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