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Old 03-03-2020, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Russia
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The thing that I don't understand is how/why exactly Turkey explains its current military presence in Idlib ( and them fighting Syrian army) as legitimate?
Because "Syrian people" invited them. Classics of the genre.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:27 AM
 
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Turks shot down another Syrian jet over Syrian territory without declaring war.

I hope that Russia's actions in Ukraine are fully justified in terms of international law. Russia did not use Russian armed forces in Ukraine officially (only assistance to rebels). Russia has received sanctions from West. Turkey uses armed forces to attack another country. West is silent, because Turkey is their ally. The harsh truth of the world order.
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Old 03-03-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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Turks shot down another Syrian jet over Syrian territory without declaring war.

I hope that Russia's actions in Ukraine are fully justified in terms of international law. Russia did not use Russian armed forces in Ukraine officially (only assistance to rebels). Russia has received sanctions from West. Turkey uses armed forces to attack another country. West is silent, because Turkey is their ally. The harsh truth of the world order.

Well, rather the world order that *someone* is trying to impose *шаловливой ручкой* (if to use good Russian expression here.)
And if I can trace it and pinpoint it, it's rather the American Corporate Democrats behind it ( the fake ones, who want to sit with one butt on two chairs, ) that are the source of a problem. ( Well them and their close associates among the Republicans ( и примкнувший к ним Троцкий))) )

And, interestingly enough, the OTHER PART of a puzzle is in Russia, because Russia has INTERNAL force that cooperates with this BS.

And only with EXTERNAL pressure gone, Russians can sort out its internal problems ( who is who and what is what.)

That's the only way the knot can be untangled and the WWIII avoided.


I am trying to be cautiously optimistic here))

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Old 03-03-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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And, interestingly enough, the OTHER PART of a puzzle is in Russia, because Russia has INTERNAL force that cooperates with this BS
Could you elaborate?
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Old 03-03-2020, 02:27 PM
 
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Well, rather the world order that *someone* is trying to impose *шаловливой ручкой* (if to use good Russian expression here.)
And if I can trace it and pinpoint it, it's rather the American Corporate Democrats behind it ( the fake ones, who want to sit with one butt on two chairs, ) that are the source of a problem. ( Well them and their close associates among the Republicans ( и примкнувший к ним Троцкий))) )

And, interestingly enough, the OTHER PART of a puzzle is in Russia, because Russia has INTERNAL force that cooperates with this BS.

And only with EXTERNAL pressure gone, Russians can sort out its internal problems ( who is who and what is what.)

That's the only way the knot can be untangled and the WWIII avoided.


I am trying to be cautiously optimistic here))
Perhaps enough to do this policy is unprofitable. If costs will be greater than profit, people will find other uses for their talents and World War 3 will not happen.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:05 PM
 
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Perhaps enough to do this policy is unprofitable. If costs will be greater than profit, people will find other uses for their talents and World War 3 will not happen.
I've been hearing about WW3 since 2017. It's 2020 and nothing has happened yet. It's far more profitable to keep fighting battles through proxies. We might end up joining forces to tackle China.
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Old 03-03-2020, 08:43 PM
 
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I've been hearing about WW3 since 2017. It's 2020 and nothing has happened yet. It's far more profitable to keep fighting battles through proxies. We might end up joining forces to tackle China.

Think about the WWII for example.
Did it happen out of a blue one day for the heck of it?
Nope, there was a long chain of events that led step by step to that war.
Likewise, the WWIII wouldn't take place one day out of a blue - it takes time for events to develop (and for conflicts to erupt in different places,) before they would explode to culmination point.
And that's why FIRST you'd hear only "rumors of war."
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Old 03-03-2020, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Not the hand of Rodchenkov. The main debunker of doping in Russian sport has disappeared

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On Monday, the court found that signatures on the written testimony of former Director of the Moscow laboratory faked

LAUSANNE /Switzerland/, 3 March. /TASS/. The sensational statement was made by lawyers of former biathletes Olga Zaitseva, Olga Vilukhina, Yana Romanova and during the consideration of their appeals against suspension for doping violations in Sports arbitration court (CAS) in Lausanne. If you believe the results of the examination, the written testimony (or affidavits) the main prosecution witness Gregory Rodchenkov is not his signature, the stroke of the former Director of the Moscow laboratory was faked.

The international Olympic Committee (IOC), which presented the documents as evidence of guilt of the former women, given one day to explain the findings of the experts. If it turns out that signatures on the documents are fake, the question arises about who did the fake documents and why they could not put himself Rodchenkov. It is possible that the lack of genuine signatures of the former head of the Moscow laboratory can be related to the fact that he is no longer alive.

Balaclava and goggles

Last time in public Rodchenkov appeared more than two years ago, when he gave evidence in the cases of other Russian athletes that the IOC decision was excommunicated for life from participation in Competitions and whose results at the Games 2014 was cancelled. Zaitseva, Vilukhina and Romanov was among 43 of the Russian participants of the Sochi Olympics, which was subjected to sanctions, but then they refused to give urgent consideration to their appeals.

His testimony was then recognized by the court as contradictory and unconvincing. After considering 39 cases CAS has fully justified 28 the Russian athletes, 11 - partially (they had been stripped of life-long suspension from participation in the Olympic games, but their results in Sochi remained cancelled).

The court did not refute the results of the investigation of the independent Commission of the world anti-doping Agency (WADA) led by Richard McLaren on doping in Russian sport, which was the basis of the proceedings. He only confirmed the lack of evidence of guilt of specific athletes. If it is proven that the testimony Rodchenkova was fabricated, the question may arise about the credibility of the investigation into McLaren, which is built on the testimony of the former head of the laboratory.

"We compared the signature with other signatures of Mr. Rodchenkova, which we have received in the Moscow lab, where he previously worked as a Director - said the lawyer of the former athletes Alexei Panich on the first day of the hearing. - We have received a large number of samples of signatures - more than a hundred, despite the fact that for the examination usually requires about two dozen samples."

"We were pretty sure that if you bring a conclusion solely from the Russian experts, no one believed him, so we found and attracted to the work of one of the best English expert-handwriting, which has repeatedly appeared in the courts in the UK and other States. His experience is over 40 years old, and he came to the conclusion about the fake signatures of Mr. Rodchenkova", he added.

The IOC is silent, Russia is boiling

The IOC at the time of trial, for obvious reasons, took a break and did not comment on the incident. However, in Russia the actions of the organization have already assessed. "We hope that the court will decide on the compensation athletes unfairly affected by the decision the IOC, said the Chairman of the Duma Committee on physical culture, sport, tourism and youth Affairs Mikhail Degtyarev. - Deprivation of well-deserved awards and a lifetime suspension from the Olympics - this is a serious blow for the athlete, for the fans, a great loss for the whole country."

Supported Degtyarev and his colleague at the state Duma, the Olympic champion Sochi Anton Shipulin. "There is not even need to be a lawyer to understand that the IOC is preparing the charges in the cases of our athletes is extremely unprofessional. I think that the issue about the authenticity of the signatures Rodchenkova should be investigated separately, if we demand integrity and openness, the IOC and CAS should behave in response exactly the same," said former biathlete.

On Monday, the hearing was attended by former coach Zaitseva and Romanova Wolfgang Pichler. He was preparing them for the Olympics in Sochi for three years and is convinced of the innocence of their athletes. An indirect confirmation of his innocence to doping violations is that even the IOC stripped him of the ban on visits the last winter Olympics.

In court Pichler called Rodchenkova a liar, citing the example of the contradictory nature of his testimony. "In Germany we say: "If someone lied once, he can't be trusted anymore", - he stressed. - This story shows that you can't believe everything that he says."

"I was glad to see Ian and Olga, yesterday we met them for dinner and had a lot to discuss,' said Pichler. - It is important to fight for the truth, because I believe that this is all a big fight against Russia. This involved a lot of politics".

Proceedings Romanova, Vilukhina and Zaitseva will end on Tuesday, March 3. It is expected that the CAS decision will issue within two to three weeks.
https://tass.ru/sport/7884177

IOC’s acknowledgement of Rodchenkov’s forged signatures may impact other cases — lawyer
https://tass.com/sport/1126197


"The secret sooner or later becomes clear" — Socrates.
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Old 03-04-2020, 04:16 AM
 
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btw, in the West there are real military journalists who report from the front lines, while sometimes falling under shelling and even captured? Can you provide links to their social networks / channels in instant messengers? A view from the other side is interesting.
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Old 03-04-2020, 04:17 AM
 
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Not the hand of Rodchenkov. The main debunker of doping in Russian sport has disappeared.

Big sport is big geopolitics.
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