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Most of what people 'think' of as 'American culture' isn't even 'American culture' in the first place but actually 'globalised culture' or 'Western culture'. You can't just blame 'America' for what some people consider the 'garbage' of the modern world, 'America' for some reason seems to bear the brunt of it though.
The foundation of the globalized culture you spend of is mostly American culture. Without America, it wouldn't be nearly the same.
Islam is an obvious threat, but that doesn't mean American influence is a nonissue. After all, it seems to have been the Cultural Marxism that took hold in America in the mid-20th century that's influenced western European attitudes towards immigration.
American culture is degenerate garbage; of course it is a threat to Europe. But that does not diminish the Islamic threat.
"Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis, originating from the mid-to-late 19th century works of German philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, that analyzes class relations and societal conflict using a materialist interpretation of historical development and a dialectical view of social transformation."
What is "Cultural Marxism?"
And how has whatever that is influenced western European attitudes toward immigration?
Islam is an obvious threat, but that doesn't mean American influence is a nonissue. After all, it seems to have been the Cultural Marxism that took hold in America in the mid-20th century that's influenced western European attitudes towards immigration.
American culture is degenerate garbage; of course it is a threat to Europe. But that does not diminish the Islamic threat.
Sorry but I'm not seeing any high-minded culture coming out of Europe at this point either. Unless you consider Big Brother, One Direction and Eurovision to be a cultural highwater mark.
Also cultural Marxism didn't originate in the US, the concepts behind it started in central Europe with the Frankfurt School.
Sorry but I'm not seeing any high-minded culture coming out of Europe at this point either. Unless you consider Big Brother, One Direction and Eurovision to be a cultural highwater mark.
All of it is ultimately American-inspired.
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Also cultural Marxism didn't originate in the US, the concepts behind it started in central Europe with the Frankfurt School.
I know, that's why I said it "took hold" in America; it is not originate here. But it is difficult to see how Cultural Marxism would have taken hold to the extent that it has in western Europe without America's influence.
Why would I want to read the Koran?
This particular religion is downright hostile to women - I've observed enough ( in fact experienced it on "my own skin" so to speak,) and I've read about it enough.
I happen to believe everything this woman says here ( you can check her Surah references yourself,)
and that's all I need to know to NOT to be interested in reading Koran any further.
"I Am a Moslem Woman"
"It is not a democracy when a man can talk about politics without anyone threatening him.
Democracy is when a woman can talk of her lover without anyone killing her.
Dr. Sauad M. Al-Sabah
I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is twelve months of 28 days each or 336 days) or, when I am actually 8 years and 8 months old, I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.
I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones..."
This is basically a dead-end religion, that doesn't have any future.
Calm down, it was only an assumption
You seem to know a lot, that's what triggered this thought into me. See, i acknowledge that there are problems in the Muslim world but i don't understand your close mindedness towards it, i couldn't care less about it as i don't view the religion as a whole as a threat but the people who are manipulating it for their own means and those branches who are the most adapt to keep whole population subject to them
In fact, i would argue Saudi Arabia has pushed Wahhabbist influences throughout the Islamic world just to improve its influence and standing. I guess we've talked enough, you have your own ideas (which i respect) and i have mine, let's stick to them
Very weak counter-argument. Also displays a lack of knowledge. The whole Big Brother concept was originally a Dutch idea, Pop music has been as British influenced as American influenced. Also those awful talent shows, started in the UK before being taken up here. How can these things be "American Inspired" if they aren't even our ideas to begin with. The problem with America is that it carelessly absorbs all of the shallow nonsense forged elsewhere. The shallow garbage of modern consumer culture was a global effort.
I know, that's why I said it "took hold" in America; it is not originate here. But it is difficult to see how Cultural Marxism would have taken hold to the extent that it has in western Europe without America's influence.
So the ideas started in Europe, took hold in America, so because it was popular in America it then became more popular in Europe because of that. Yet show how America is completely to blame for cultural Marxism? Sound reasoning you have there.
[quote=snj90;43106518]All of it is ultimately American-inspired.
Those awful talent shows actually started in Europe, not America. Pop music is as British influenced as it is American influenced. While Americans created the concept of Reality TV back in the 1940's. The modern reality show basis was primarily copied from a Dutch show called "Nummer 28". Sorry to burst your bubble but creating modernist consumer culture was a real global effort.
Which, in turn, is ultimately European inspired. Except for those influences that came from Africa. Maybe it is African influences on American culture that you find tainted?
Seriously, what is the singular, exceptional characteristic of these horrible American influences that makes Europeans and other people of the world unable to resist their culturally putrefying effect?
Is their some sort of intrinsic and omnipotent power embedded in America's despicable exports?
Or does its appeal come from something else? So far I have not seen a single knife against anyone's throat while the Game of Thrones or a piece of breaded, fried chicken is shoved into some pure and culturally unsullied European's hands.
Those awful talent shows actually started in Europe, not America. Pop music is as British influenced as it is American influenced. While Americans created the concept of Reality TV back in the 1940's. The modern reality show basis was primarily copied from a Dutch show called "Nummer 28". Sorry to burst your bubble but creating modernist consumer culture was a real global effort.
Culturally, America can only assume full responsibility for skateboarding and rap music.
Yeah right, I am not going to start getting into a petty argument with a nationalistic like you, suffice to say if you think Brad Pitt won the second world war all on his own you are seriously deluded. People like you are seriously damaging the way other nationals feel towards the USA.
The term you want is "nationalist," not "nationalistic."
One is a noun, the other an adjective.
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American culture is degenerate garbage; of course it is a threat to Europe. But that does not diminish the Islamic threat.
"American culture is degenerate garbage."
Gee, thanks.
You must be a really smart and cultivated person to know that.
Pray, can I rest at your feet while you enlighten me with your brilliant insights?
Tell me about the great symphonies that have been created by European composers in the last 20 years....the great operas....the great paintings....the great novels....the great poems....the great sculptures....the great masterpieces of architecture....the great and earth-shaking works of philosophy....
Right -- nothing.
European culture is dead.
Europe is a museum.
Yes, it has a glorious past, but that is the past.
And America, being young, doesn't have much of a past. But we do have -- in literature -- Poe, Eliot, Melville, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Dickinson, Pound and Twain at least.
Far more brilliant talents than anyone from Europe you could name in the last 50 years, that's for sure.
We also have our share of achievements in other fields.
Not that you would be in the least bit interested, being so "superior" and all....
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...it's well documented that Britain and its Commonwealth supplied the vast majority of shipping and landing craft on D-Day, around 80% compared to 16% for the US. Think about it, it wouldn't make sense for the US to transport the required amount across the atlantic when it had access to the Royal Navy - the largest in the world at the beginning of the war.
And where do you think Britain got the money to pay for all of that?
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Obviously, the US saw most of the action in the Pacific theatre but Britain was also present to protect its own interests and at Kohima and Imphal, Japan lost over 50,000 men - its largest defeat at that time in Japan's history. I'd wager anyone fighting on either side would consider it a "token contribution".
And at sea, while the British Pacific Fleet, had a lesser role to play, mostly for political reasons (the US didn't want Britain claiming victory), it was hardly insignificant.
In 1939 a study was carried out to determine whether Britain would starve in the event of a German blockade preventing the import of food to the island. The conclusion was that Britain, while perhaps having to cut down on meat, eggs and milk, would have been fine existing on a diet of wheat, potatoes and vegetables, all of which was readily available. In any case, the experiment went a bit too far - rations were more plentiful than expected, and along with imports from the US, Canada and elsewhere, Britain never came close to starving.
That's nice.
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So, you at least acknowledge the possibility that the US didn't enter the war to help Britain? ("We did it to help you Brits, as I remember.")
What other reason did we have to go to war with Germany?
I can't think of any.
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As for America not being appreciated you'll find most Brits DO acknowledge the US contribution in the war, but take umbrage at the whole "saving our asses" nonsense because it simply isn't true, and when this is pointed out - sometimes by Americans far more enlightened than yourself - some of you throw a hissy fit about it.
Without the U.S. and the Soviet Union, you Brits were up the creek without a paddle.
That's just fact.
I'm not one who is inclined -- out of mean-spiritedness -- to remind you of that fact, but when I see all this ugly anti-American stuff in this thread ("America is a degenerate culture"), don't expect me to be nice.
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I'll repeat myself just for your benefit. Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point here.
That's what dumb people say to the intelligent when they don't "get it."
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"This "small" contribution by the British included (but isn't limited to) cracking the Enigma code, defeating the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, defeating Rommel at El Alamein, helping to neutralise the Kreigsmarine and U-Boat threat, fielding half the numbers at D-Day and supplying the vast majority of boats and landing craft, and causing Japan's heaviest defeats of the war to that point at Imphal and Kohima. I could go on..."
If you'd like to contest any of that be my guest, the onus is on you to disprove any of it. But you won't be able to.
Those are all nice contributions to Britain's defense of ITSELF and ITS COLONIES. And -- apart from Hawaii and a few other Pacific islands -- America had no colonies that needed defending from Japan.
So I don't really know what these British contributions did for America, seeing as how Hitler never tried to take over America and Japan wasn't going to try to do so either.
If anything, the whole war was about defending Britain, France, and their colonies in the Far East and Middle East.
And before you get even more on your high horse, may I remind you that 3,000,000 Indians starved in Bengal because their bumper crop of rice was diverted by their British masters to North Africa and Britain in order to feed the British people and troops?
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Well, no, ENGLAND all by it self might have struggled, but then a lone US would have too. But you're starting to veer into "what if?" territory here which is something we could do all day.
Hitler was not threatening America.
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Well it kind of DOES matter to a nation which had fought a bloody war with the same enemy just a few decades earlier. Entering another is something that wouldn't have been taken lightly, but as it turned out became necessary. Again, very easy to dismiss Chamberlain in hindsight, but put yourself in the same position.
Put myself in the same position?
That's an easy one.
When Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland, he had NOTHING.
Both the French and the British could have crushed him.
And that's what any sensible leader would have done.
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