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Old 11-21-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Macron is more in a Tony Blair tradition i'd say. Socially to the left (well, not sure about his views on gay adoption issues), economically pretty much for free market economy. Not sure how much of the left will support him but he has chances.

Fillon ? Surprising. I still think Juppé has more chance to win because he appears to have a stronger base, but we'll see.
One concern is only Marine is running on an economically statist/socialist platform. My fear is that there are enough hard core union types that would rather die than see capitalist reforms and vote FN regardless of the social baggage. My hope was to see Vallas/Hollande run so as to split that bloc and thus both go down in flames so to leave a path for Marcon or Fillion. I think Marcon can win the socially liberal Paris set by emphasizing his socially liberal credentials while playing up how Paris has a prime opportunity to retake it's place as Europe's De juer capital in lieu of London in the aftermath of Brexit. To do so will require liberalization and both Fillion and Macron sound like the candidates to do it.
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Well, most anti-free trade economy folks are more close to the extreme left in general, whereas Marine appeals more to the small-business type people, anyway I think most of her views on exiting the eurozone or economically closing ourselves in are more difficult to say than to realize. I think she says a lot of stuff that can not really be done just to attract people, ala Trump. Still, as said before, I don't think she can win because even if she passes round 2 like her father did 15 years ago, almost everyone will freak out and go to vote for the other candidate (though probably to a lesser extent than it happened during the Chirac / Le Pen vote).

Macron / Fillon have their chances because they benefit from a better image than Hollande and probably Valls. Valls could be a serious candidate but there's not much room for another PS candidate, and Macron is a lot more of an opportunist, i.e. he could go pretty far if he does not mess up things.

I think it is probably easier to predict the weather in 3 months than to predict who's going to make it, really.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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The center is too crowded : Juppé, Bayrou, now Macron, even the socialists are "cenrists" nowadays (save their Marxist irrelevant minority). But to vote center in France is like voting Hillary in the US : it's a recipe for stagnation, for all those people are parts of the progressive Establishment that have governed France for 40 years in a way or other . That swamp need to be drained too. France needs fresh air, either the "thatcherite" Fillon or the outsider Marine Le Pen. Anything but the boring statu quo ante.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Well yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Macron is like a midly left-wing centrist while Juppé does not want to appear too much as a conservative. Anyway Bayrou was there before and he's probably a lot more sincere than either. No need for another centrist candidate really.

Fillon is quite on the right side of things too, but if he runs, there needs to be a serious left alternative, and it hasn't showed up yet. Fillon / Le Pen is going to let a lot of people on the side of the road.

I would not say Macron is much of a stagnation though, he wasn't even born 40 years ago, whereas Fillon could be his father and has been involved in politics since before I was in kindergarten.

Anyway there's noone I want to vote for.
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Old 11-22-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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Well yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Macron is like a midly left-wing centrist while Juppé does not want to appear too much as a conservative. Anyway Bayrou was there before and he's probably a lot more sincere than either. No need for another centrist candidate really.

Fillon is quite on the right side of things too, but if he runs, there needs to be a serious left alternative, and it hasn't showed up yet. Fillon / Le Pen is going to let a lot of people on the side of the road.

I would not say Macron is much of a stagnation though, he wasn't even born 40 years ago, whereas Fillon could be his father and has been involved in politics since before I was in kindergarten.

Anyway there's noone I want to vote for.
your last sentence is very typical of Frenchmen. I am in France and asked around, and nobody said they liked any candidate. I think it is the French way.

I am new to French politics, but from what I heard in the debate, I do like Fillion although he is part of the establishment. At least its positions seems right. I like Macron too, very fresh and energetic, and great at speeches. He is a free market guy who encourages people to be millionaires - I usually do not like this type but France probably needs something like it. He is charming too, probably gives some advantage as well. Why not a 39 year old president for France? This old country where everything is structured to death needs some "change".

As to Juppe, he just seems too old and politician.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Better Macron than Fillon if you ask me, but I would not say I'm really excited either.

Well, that might be typical, but ever since I started voting I always had to vote for the lesser of two evils. The first major election I took part in was the infamous Le Pen / Chirac 2002 presidential, and like almost everyone I voted for Chirac because there was not much of a choice. I believe a lot of people are as jaded as I am and there's a growing concern of politicians not representing the real people anymore. Even Macron is a product of the same old political school that has produced élites for decades. He does not represent me too much.

I can't say I have been delighted by what has been accomplished by the government in the last 4 years, aside from the gay marriage legalization.

But then, yeah, an 39 year old president would be nice.
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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I believe Madam Le Pen has a great chance!

And she looks very confident. No idea about other candidates.

Valls looks like a joke!
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Old 11-23-2016, 02:10 AM
 
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Macron is young, but it's not enough in my book to be a worthy politician; he lacks popular support. He wants to implement liberal-libertarian politics and is an Europhile, and most of French people are wary of all that.
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Old 11-23-2016, 02:29 AM
 
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But then, yeah, an 39 year old president would be nice.
Oh my that'd be so awesome. It's really pathetic that most countries only have old ass politicians, it'd be nice to have someone really young for a relevant country for once.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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The election is 5 months away, and it seems Holland is hopeless. His approval rate is so low that he probably won't even run.

Is Le Pen likely to the next French president?
She is very smart and she is defintely NOT what the center Right and the Left say about her. She is NOT A RIGHT WING extremist racist.
Marine Lepen is just a threat to the agents of globalization one can easily find among the ( fake) socialists and the (fake) moderate right /republicans.
She opposed the war in Syria, Libya and the overthrow of Ivorian president Laurent Gbagbo by a coalition of French and UN troops in 2011.
The question is can she be elected ? well, her father Mr. Lepen was on the brink of being elected when he ran against Jacques Chirac. Chirac's rating was so low in the polls people couldn't even think he would run. But when Mr. Lepen became the main challenger after the 1st round, the so-called left and the so-called moderate Right, managed to form a united front against him. The latter was depicted as anti-Jews and anti everything. The result: Chirac won.
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