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Old 09-21-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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This doesn't make any sense! Are we seriously supposed to believe that poor people in the US are somehow still richer than middle class people in Europe!?
Considering the amount of government assistance and benefits the poor have in this country, yes. Rent controlled housing, section 8 housing vouchers, little to no taxes they pay, Medicaid, Obamacare, EBT cards, food stamps, welfare, equal opportunity employment, affirmative action, race quotas, emergency food assistance, WIC, temporary assistance for needy families, etc.

This is worth far more than the income of middle class Europeans who are often taxed at very high rates to pay for their own liberal social programs.

No other country on earth can afford to give its underclass countless social programs without raising taxes sky high.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Canada
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No other country on earth can afford to give its underclass countless social programs without raising taxes sky high.

But America really can't afford it either. America is living on credit and borrowed time (and increased tariffs on imported goods).
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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Considering the amount of government assistance and benefits the poor have in this country, yes. Rent controlled housing, section 8 housing vouchers, little to no taxes they pay, Medicaid, Obamacare, EBT cards, food stamps, welfare, equal opportunity employment, affirmative action, race quotas, emergency food assistance, WIC, temporary assistance for needy families, etc.

This is worth far more than the income of middle class Europeans who are often taxed at very high rates to pay for their own liberal social programs.

No other country on earth can afford to give its underclass countless social programs without raising taxes sky high.
Let's go over it, slowly; "food stamps" and EBT cards is one and the same thing. It's the WORKING POOR who receive "food stamps" ( or EBT) - otherwise they come short on food.
"Section 8" - that's the vouchers that the government is ready to give to the potential landlords of the working poor, subsidizing their rent on a sliding scale. Except for there is not enough of landlords/housing who are willing to take those vouchers.
"Rent controlled housing" - that must be California, where the housing crisis ( and hence homelessness) is at the full swing. ( I am just explaining here what's REALLY behind all your


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbTSDuQET94&t=147s

"Medicaid" and "Obamacare" are the attempts to catch up with the civilized world ( i.e. Europe) to give medical coverage for EVERYONE, and not just only to the "most deserving" ( according to American understanding.)
"Temporary assistance to needy family" IS a former "welfare." Since poor ( i.e. low income people) keep on having children ( what inconvenience!) they temporarily receive SOME help, while the children are VERY YOUNG. Otherwise these people can't go back to work ( so they are provided with the subsidies for the day care and food stamps ( i.e. EBT). WIC - that's a program "for healthcare and nutrition of low-income pregnant women, breastfeeding women, and children under the age of five. (See child nutrition programs.)"
"Emergency food assistance" equals couple of bags of food per month, coming from Salvation Army or such other organizations. ( Yes, the poor are entitled to have some additional food in such "food banks" once per month - usually so.) I am just explaining what REALLY stands behind all the *terminology* that you are throwing around here.
So what should it tell you? Probably that working poor don't make enough to cover their food/rental needs? Wouldn't you agree?

Now when it comes to the "affirmative action" and the "race quota"... well, what do you do, when you inherit the country with slavery background and the whole underclass of people of color?
Yes, the racial problems in US are big, and "poverty problem" is mostly a problem of people of color in the US - that much is true. ( Although lately it encompasses the White population as well - more and more so.)
The fact that the big businesses kept on attracting the "cheap labor" from Mexico/other Latin American countries doesn't help a bit. In fact, now it's catching up with the developing crisis - homelessness and overburden of the the social programs.
So there you have it.
Now tell us again how it's all "worth far more than the income of middle class Europeans"
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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I have worked in 2 American owned companies in Germany, when I see how the workers on the US side are treated it makes me really glad not to live there anymore.
And I have worked for three employers in Germany and one in the US. The best treatment I got, by far, was working for the US company.
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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But America really can't afford it either. America is living on credit and borrowed time (and increased tariffs on imported goods).
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This is true. Our debt is out of control paying for entitlements for the underclass. If America was a person they would’ve declared bankruptcy forever.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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Considering the amount of government assistance and benefits the poor have in this country, yes. Rent controlled housing, section 8 housing vouchers, little to no taxes they pay, Medicaid, Obamacare, EBT cards, food stamps, welfare, equal opportunity employment, affirmative action, race quotas, emergency food assistance, WIC, temporary assistance for needy families, etc.

This is worth far more than the income of middle class Europeans who are often taxed at very high rates to pay for their own liberal social programs.

No other country on earth can afford to give its underclass countless social programs without raising taxes sky high.
Believe what you wish but the American government does not spend much on welfare compared to any European country or Australia and New Zealand, whether that is a good thing or not is open to debate but its a fact.

Relative to Europe, America has no welfare state
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Old 09-22-2018, 03:17 AM
 
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This is true. Our debt is out of control paying for entitlements for the underclass. If America was a person they would’ve declared bankruptcy forever.
Your debt is out of control but not because of benefits for the underclass. There barely are any benefits for the under class compared to other countries.
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Old 09-22-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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Considering the amount of government assistance and benefits the poor have in this country, yes. Rent controlled housing, section 8 housing vouchers, little to no taxes they pay, Medicaid, Obamacare, EBT cards, food stamps, welfare, equal opportunity employment, affirmative action, race quotas, emergency food assistance, WIC, temporary assistance for needy families, etc.

This is worth far more than the income of middle class Europeans who are often taxed at very high rates to pay for their own liberal social programs.

No other country on earth can afford to give its underclass countless social programs without raising taxes sky high.
Do you have any data to support your claims or is it just the ideology talking?
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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Do you have any data to support your claims or is it just the ideology talking?
That's probably something he heard from Sean Hannity on Fox News and he's just regurgitating it.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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This is true. Our debt is out of control paying for entitlements for the underclass. If America was a person they would’ve declared bankruptcy forever.
Stupidest **** I’ve ever heard. Our debt is out of control because of our massive military campaigns around the world propagated by both democrats and republicans as well as the corporations raping the country dry from tax revenue
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