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Old 10-06-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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It really depends on the area in the US. But as you consider US built vehicles not comparable to German built ones your opinion about food may be similar.

I didn't say that US built vehicles are not comparable to German. I said that they are built different for the US market.
And yes, Threestep - such junk food as sold in the US grocery stores isn't available overseas. For start there are strict regulations and even complete ban on some products or ingredients that are approved and sold in the US. Those are undisputable facts.
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Old 10-06-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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And again - personal opinion based on personal experiences. Please do not use "our" health care system as my family has had nothing but great experiences compared to what we went through in Germany. At around 1500$ premium for a family per year and copays under 50$ including major surgeries SO went through - beats premiums, copays and especially waits elsewhere.
What did you go through in Germany?

$50 co-pay for major surgery? My sister-in-law has had to postpone her retirement for a year, simply to come up with the money for the co-pays (plural) for the surgery my brother needs. And she's a nurse, working for a leading hospital in her area, with supposedly "good" insurance. Maybe my brother and I should join your family.
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Old 10-06-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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What did you go through in Germany?

$50 co-pay for major surgery? My sister-in-law has had to postpone her retirement for a year, simply to come up with the money for the co-pays for the surgery my brother needs. And she's a nurse, working for a leading hospital in her area, with supposedly "good" insurance. Maybe my brother and I should join your family.
You should probably learn how to cook as he/she does as well, in order to know how to live on $190 for groceries per month...
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Old 10-06-2018, 11:10 PM
 
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My personal opinion/observation about American Health Care, is that it's the money-making machine first and utmost; the "health care" essence is coming secondary.
The lavish "window views," and "healing garden" that I saw in the new local hospital ( and not only) is a good clue, but then there are other.
Yes, it's true that American hospitals have the latest equipment there is, but doctors are unable to diagnose practically ANYTHING without the mentioned above machines. So the depth of knowledge is not there, and even if it is, it's discouraged, in fear of losing money ( i.e. possible lawsuits.) ( Overall the fear of being sued is apparent in American clinics/hospitals probably more than anywhere else. They are sticking to "prescribed rules" up to a T., even when if doesn't make much sense.)
Yes, there ARE good/top specialists in American hospitals; for the most part they work in the areas that are pretty straightforward and treatment/research promise a lot of money; heart problems, surgeons - things like that. The rest ( not promising to give big returns on investments - research, operations) is pretty mediocre.

More on the beauty of American Health Care system - just an example)))

"Leon Lederman won a Nobel Prize for his work in physics. But in 2015, the University of Chicago professor was forced to auction off his medal for $765,000 to help cover medical bills."

https://www.thisisinsider.com/nobel-...aign=buffer-ti



But please do tell us all, how much worse it is somewhere in Germany)))
Feel free.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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I didn't say that US built vehicles are not comparable to German. I said that they are built different for the US market.
And yes, Threestep - such junk food as sold in the US grocery stores isn't available overseas. For start there are strict regulations and even complete ban on some products or ingredients that are approved and sold in the US. Those are undisputable facts.
I dispute your facts. Go to one of the praised discounters, check local papers for production scandals and recalls, junk food and alcohol all over.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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What did you go through in Germany?

$50 co-pay for major surgery? My sister-in-law has had to postpone her retirement for a year, simply to come up with the money for the co-pays (plural) for the surgery my brother needs. And she's a nurse, working for a leading hospital in her area, with supposedly "good" insurance. Maybe my brother and I should join your family.
Adoptees have to have whiskers I prefer not to share most of our medical history but I am sure you can figure out what skiers/sailors can do to their bodies.
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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More on the beauty of American Health Care system - just an example)))

"Leon Lederman won a Nobel Prize for his work in physics. But in 2015, the University of Chicago professor was forced to auction off his medal for $765,000 to help cover medical bills."

https://www.thisisinsider.com/nobel-...aign=buffer-ti



But please do tell us all, how much worse it is somewhere in Germany)))
Feel free.
Still, it's a good motivation to work hard, be productive and aim for a Nobel Prize medal in order to be able to pay for your medical bills. In Europe it's just too easy sometimes to sit back and let society pay for everything, not just for healthcare but for welfare as well.

Germany actually has among the worst healthcare systems in Europe. Very high deductions from gross income to pay for old hospitals with long waiting periods for treatment. Or very high rates for private insurance with very high co-payments. There is no way the German system is sustainable with their ageing population and mass immigration from poor undeveloped countries with people who will never pay into but still benefit from healthcare and welfare.
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Old 10-09-2018, 01:29 AM
 
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America has the richest poor people on earth.

In America you’re practically required to have a personal vehicle or two, in Europe, not so much. Same goes for housing benefits, less taxes, government assistance, minimal wage hikes, etc. there is a reason America has millions of immigrants from Europe each year and not the other way around.
The US does not have millions of immigrants from Europe, and actually one finds a lot of Americans IN Europe.
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Old 10-09-2018, 01:38 AM
 
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Still, it's a good motivation to work hard, be productive and aim for a Nobel Prize medal in order to be able to pay for your medical bills. In Europe it's just too easy sometimes to sit back and let society pay for everything, not just for healthcare but for welfare as well.

Germany actually has among the worst healthcare systems in Europe. Very high deductions from gross income to pay for old hospitals with long waiting periods for treatment. Or very high rates for private insurance with very high co-payments. There is no way the German system is sustainable with their ageing population and mass immigration from poor undeveloped countries with people who will never pay into but still benefit from healthcare and welfare.
People with chronic illnesses aren't going to be able to run out there and do all this work to pay their medical bills.

Have you ever had to deal with cancer in the family, or some other chronic illness? Especially if the family member was older and retired and probably will never work again.

Yes, the German system is sustainable. It's hated by right wing US trolls, but their system works very fine for THEM. Their population isn't aging due to mass migration, which US white racists hate because it ruins their idea of a "pure" Europe.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Polderland
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Europe has the advantage of not having an auto industry that propagandizes the public heavily, with slogans like, "America's love affair with the car".

The European auto and petrol industries also have never united, as they did in the US in the 1950's, in order to buy up privately-owned transit systems in order to destroy them, or deliberately make them inefficient, or to convert them to petrol vehicles from electric overhead wires, trams, etc. I have the feeling that if such a conspiracy had ever occurred (this was proven in US court, btw, in case someone accuses me of conspiracy theories), the populace wouldn't stand for it.

The US is much more dominated by corporations than Europe is. Many Americans just don't see it. This accounts for the high percentage of voters who don't believe that climate change is caused by industrialization and other hallmarks of modern life. Corporations discovered in the 70's, that industry and petrol consumption were, indeed, causing the warming of the climate that scientists were warning about, so they launched a major propaganda campaign to discredit the independent scientific findings, and have kept up the campaign to the present.

Are you kidding? Have you not heard of the cheat devices of Volkswagen? (and also Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc). Basically all European auto and petrol industries are united, participate in colllective mega fraud, do everything to kill smaller companies. Buy a Skoda and you'll get a VW in another (cheaper) jacket.

European contractors are also constantly on the move and do everything to kill competition by either buying small buisinesses or kill them with cheating like Cartel practices.
We had a mega construction fraude scandal early 2000's that brought our countries housing buisiness in crisis (just before the big crisis).

Also BP, Shell etc have scandals all the time. Some of those companies date back 400 years and even go back to the slave traders (Vopak, which used to be the VOC). These companies have our government in there pocket and slow down environment policies constantly. Just today finally a group "environment defence" won a years- going case against the state for constantly "ditching the laws" and slowing down environmental improvements.

Did you know, Shell got uge plots of land for free in NL with the promise of "jobs" for the area, they never kept?

And than there's Big Pharma, that pushes Pharmacists to use cheap and bad medicine and raise there prices. They have big lobbies in The Haque and have a lot to say in politics. It's just not as much "out in the open".

This happens in The Netherlands, and in the rest of EU too. Our big companies rule Europe just as much as the big companies in America.

I'm not sure, but maybe you can watch this using YT subtitles where you are? Beerput Nederland (Cesspool Netherlands)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxD4WpyiRr0
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