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Actually, the positive thing about muslims is that they don't drink booze. Scandinavia has a terrible drinking problem especially among the Danes and Finns. Alcohol is the worst hard drug in the world and makes many ppl aggressive and often behave like total jerks as we very well know.
Certainly the reasonable approach to take should not amount to a blanket ban on immigration , yet the other extreme of essentially setting no limits on the amount of immigrants who can enter/doing essentially no screening relating to the cultural suitability of those who do is merely the opposite side of the same coin of bad policy .
Cultural suitability is only a cover for discrimination and corrupt immigration practices. It's also not possible in the modern world without Nazi-type aggression and repression. Heck, in the USA, typical white liberals have very little cultural suitability with white conservatives. Who could ever embark on effective cultural suitability except a dictator? Even then he would be wrong and it would change in 10 years.
Open borders is another BS talking point from the right. Illegal immigration statistics are quite lacking but things don't differ much from one political leader to the next. The impetus is always on the viability of the immigrant's homelands; most of the time they want to stay if they could.
Besides, the security screening in the US (anyway) is very strict and takes a long time. Democrat leaders in the US are always up for immigration reform but the Republicans aren't interested because they like to cheaply blame the left instead.
Sweden appears to be having growing pains, most of them emotional.
False. If immigrants didn’t insert themselves into a country, then that country would’ve still found a way to function without them. Look at Australia. Up until a few years ago, they had a very strict immigration policy and yet they manage to have a high living standard. And the only reason they decided to allow larger immigration lately is due to pressure from other countries to take in immigrants, not because they needed them.
I'll buy this but it's not true in the US. Non-immigrants just won't perform menial agricultural and food service work in the numbers needed. Other industries as well. We also would only fill about 60% of our high-tech and medical jobs without immigrants (I'm in Staffing). Employers don't lie about this stuff but they will hire who they need.
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I'll buy this but it's not true in the US. Non-immigrants just won't perform menial agricultural and food service work in the numbers needed. Other industries as well. We also would only fill about 60% of our high-tech and medical jobs without immigrants (I'm in Staffing). Employers don't lie about this stuff but they will hire who they need.
You are sadly just naive and brainwashed. Our agricultural and food service industries did just fine 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, etc. years ago without all these Latin Americans immigrants. What has happened is that when these immigrants came in and were willing to work cheap, those industries then got addicted to them. It’s like we were functioning just fine, then a drug dealer came in and got us hooked on crack/meth and now we think we can’t live without them.
You, as a staffing worker is not seeing or understanding the bigger picture that I just illustrated.
You are sadly just naive and brainwashed. Our agricultural and food service industries did just fine 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, etc. years ago without all these Latin Americans immigrants. What has happened is that when these immigrants came in and were willing to work cheap, those industries then got addicted to them. It’s like we were functioning just fine, then a drug dealer came in and got us hooked on crack/meth and now we think we can’t live without them.
You, as a staffing worker is not seeing or understanding the bigger picture that I just illustrated.
Seriously? We are having a tough time getting non-immigrants to work ANY job let alone fruit pickers and slaughterhouse workers these days. China laughs at the lazy American worker for a reason. It's not our grandparent's USA anymore.
Cultural suitability is only a cover for discrimination and corrupt immigration practices. It's also not possible in the modern world without Nazi-type aggression and repression. Heck, in the USA, typical white liberals have very little cultural suitability with white conservatives. Who could ever embark on effective cultural suitability except a dictator? Even then he would be wrong and it would change in 10 years.
Open borders is another BS talking point from the right. Illegal immigration statistics are quite lacking but things don't differ much from one political leader to the next. The impetus is always on the viability of the immigrant's homelands; most of the time they want to stay if they could.
Besides, the security screening in the US (anyway) is very strict and takes a long time. Democrat leaders in the US are always up for immigration reform but the Republicans aren't interested because they like to cheaply blame the left instead.
Sweden appears to be having growing pains, most of them emotional.
May I ask what you exactly mean by cultural suitability is only a cover for discrimination/corrupt immigration practices and can only be achieved by Nazi type aggression/repression ?
Because setting aside the fact that using the term Nazi in relation to contemporary immigration policy is already a giant misnomer , what with immigration not even really having been a political issue in those times like it is now , pursuing a more restrictive immigration policy would ( if done properly ) in no way result in anybody's true natural rights being violated in any way , shape , or form .
Also how else can current immigration policy be described as anything but open borders , when ( sticking with Europe ) it is quite possible for literally anybody and everybody to waltz into the Continent with no checks performed upon them whatsoever , as long as they stick to the right routes ?
I mean is it really desirable that scores of young military age Middle Eastern males of Muslim background settle on the Old Continent year after year , with no serious plans of an upper limit even being discussed ?
One can of course claim it is , but then I must invite them to take a brief perusal of the roots of so many conflicts between various indigenous European ethnic groups , that took place in spite of said groups being far more culturally similar than the members of those groups who are arriving en masse right now .
And yes you are most certainly right that part of the blame for this crisis is on the shoulders of those who perpetuate hegemonist/neo imperialist/neo colonialist foreign policy worldwide , which is also why non interventionism should be promoted as part of the solution as well .
Also I'd be willing to bet money that Sweden's growing pains right now are much more than just merely emotional , especially in the sense that you seem to be implying , but that is neither here nor there .
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Seriously? We are having a tough time getting non-immigrants to work ANY job let alone fruit pickers and slaughterhouse workers these days. China laughs at the lazy American worker for a reason. It's not our grandparent's USA anymore.
Would the solution to this not lie in rethinking current educational and social welfare policy , along with switching the societal values we assign to self realization in terms of what one should do with their life ?
More specifically if it was much harder for one to attend college or even high school and if social welfare benefits were to be greatly reduced , then ( also following a renaissance of assigning much greater social worth to manual labor ) do you think that non immigrants in general would still continue in their refusal to perform manual labor ?
BTW while I'm aware that you specifically referenced the USA within the confines of your post , I think that the content of it is relevant enough to the situation in the Western world as a whole ( including Sweden ) , to merit a response which is why I've taken the liberty to do so .
Seriously? We are having a tough time getting non-immigrants to work ANY job let alone fruit pickers and slaughterhouse workers these days. China laughs at the lazy American worker for a reason. It's not our grandparent's USA anymore.
Yes, seriously. Clearly you have no understanding of the big picture.
You only see what is happening now when the country is overrun with immigrants but had they were never allowed in such large numbers, Americans would be doing those jobs because employers would have had paid better and there would be no stigma of working besides immigrants attached to those jobs.
Sweden's crime rates are fairly flat since 1990. Hype against immigrants is all too common on the right even when they are cleaning their houses and tending to their children at very low prices.
Not at all. They are breaking new records every year. Sweden is the only country in Europe were shootings have gone up in the last 10 years (compared to down). They have the most shootings of every country in Europe, four times per capita vs the country in second place (Netherlands).
Most immigrants do not clean anyone's houses. The majority of them live on welfare.
Actually, the positive thing about muslims is that they don't drink booze. Scandinavia has a terrible drinking problem especially among the Danes and Finns. Alcohol is the worst hard drug in the world and makes many ppl aggressive and often behave like total jerks as we very well know.
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In 2018, Swedish Television investigative journalism show Uppdrag Granskning analysed the total of 843 district court cases from the five preceding years and found that 58% of all convicted of rape and attempted rape had a foreign background. 40% were immigrants born in the Middle East and Africa, with young men from Afghanistan numbering 45 standing out as being the next most common country of birth after Sweden.
When only analysing rape assault (Swedish: överfallsvåldtäkt) cases, that is cases where perpetrator and victim were not previously acquainted, 97 out of 129 were born outside Europe, with 40 percent of these having been in Sweden for a year or less.
The Mission Investigation programme, broadcast by SVT, said that the total number of offenders over five years was 843. Of those, 197 were from the Middle East and North Africa, with 45 coming from Afghanistan, and 134 from Southern Africa. "We are very clear in the programme that it is a small percentage of the people coming from abroad who are convicted of rape," chief editor Ulf Johansson told the BBC News. Former policeman Mustafa Panshiri, who was born in Afghanistan, said that Afghan immigrants bring with them attitudes towards women and sexuality which collide with Swedish values concerning equality. Swedish Television's investigating journalists found that in cases where the victims didn't know the attackers, the proportion of foreign-born sex offenders was more than 80%.
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