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True. Making yourself look attractive to the opposite sex is in almost every animals DNA. Modern men and women like to think we are beyond that. Whether is a duck or an ape, it's basic biology and it boils down to reproducing the species; The healthiest and strongest men and women will most often get the best mates.
Meh, it's not so much about that anymore, I'm older now and invisible to men. It's probably ingrained from the past though and also for me looking put together is something I see as positive for the culture. My grandmother always was nicely dressed and groomed until she died, my mother was as well, but that was normal for their time. Now you see a lot of not caring, sloppiness, even in cities that are known for fashion. It makes me not want to be like that and I do not mind if someone is critical of me if I went out looking like People of Walmart. I don't want that to be ok.
As far as objectification, if a guy sees a nice feminine looking women among the pajama and ponytail crowd who can blame him for taking a hard look. Again, understood that men like to look at pretty women, so of course ads reflect that. It would be disturbing if men stopped being attracted to attractive women, I'm not sure what that would mean but it would not be good.
As far as objectification, if a guy sees a nice feminine looking women among the pajama and ponytail crowd who can blame him for taking a hard look. Again, understood that men like to look at pretty women, so of course ads reflect that. It would be disturbing if men stopped being attracted to attractive women, I'm not sure what that would mean but it would not be good.
But there's a pretty big difference between appreciation or attraction and objectification. No one expects that men (or even women) won't notice an attractive person, but when that person is reduced to a collection of body parts or treated as solely decorative as if their body is up for public comment, that's a problem.
Meh, it's not so much about that anymore, I'm older now and invisible to men. It's probably ingrained from the past though and also for me looking put together is something I see as positive for the culture. My grandmother always was nicely dressed and groomed until she died, my mother was as well, but that was normal for their time. Now you see a lot of not caring, sloppiness, even in cities that are known for fashion. It makes me not want to be like that and I do not mind if someone is critical of me if I went out looking like People of Walmart. I don't want that to be ok.
As far as objectification, if a guy sees a nice feminine looking women among the pajama and ponytail crowd who can blame him for taking a hard look. Again, understood that men like to look at pretty women, so of course ads reflect that. It would be disturbing if men stopped being attracted to attractive women, I'm not sure what that would mean but it would not be good.
Right. Men like to look at attractive women. But why should the media focus on providing attractive women for men to look at all the time? In every ad? In every movie? In ads for women? In ads for orange juice? The point isn't to complain that Hooters and car calendars feature hot women; the point is that, why do orange juice ads and fast food ads and women's clothing ads and every other kind of ad have to feature a scantily-clad woman for men to look at?
Of course they have. It just isn't about looking beautiful, rather it's sports/physical prowess, making money and showing it off. The later is the most important. The roles on both sides have been reinforced by both evolution and culture for many thousands of years.
Yes, everyone is expected to do something with their lives, but with men, the either/or applies. Men can be athletic and attractive and be considered "socially acceptable." On the other hand, they can be powerful and successful but can have a big beer gut and a huge bald spot, and they're still "socially acceptable." They can be nerdy and smart and be socially acceptable.
Women, however, can't just be either/or. To be considered truly acceptable to society as a whole, we have to be thin and attractive first, then whatever else we want to be/do.
Men have also been cut a lot of slack in recent years as well. Before, men weren't necessarily expected to be attractive, but they had to provide for their families. Now, the general consensus is that it's too much to expect a man to provide for the entire household in today's world. Stay-at-home moms are now being seen as lazy and a burden. So, less is expected of men than before -- sure, they're expected to have a job and bring home a paycheck, but they get the help of their partners to make ends meet -- but MORE is expected of women. Now, women should be career-driven and should bring home a decent paycheck, but we are still expected to do what has always been expected of us -- stay thin and in shape, keep our hair and makeup done, dress nicely, take care of the kids and take care of the home.
Men are doing less and women are doing more, and women are still expected to look good while doing it and shouldn't get mad at their husbands for drooling over the million "hot" women that are exposed to us on a daily basis.
Right. Men like to look at attractive women. But why should the media focus on providing attractive women for men to look at all the time? In every ad? In every movie? In ads for women? In ads for orange juice? The point isn't to complain that Hooters and car calendars feature hot women; the point is that, why do orange juice ads and fast food ads and women's clothing ads and every other kind of ad have to feature a scantily-clad woman for men to look at?
They go where the money is. Their market testing determines the best strategy to sell their product and that is what they do. There is a lot of money at stake, they don't just throw something out there to see what sticks. Women in market testing groups for products being sold to women have to be approving this for it to be a sound business decision. Why do women buy fashion magazines featuring scantily clad size 00 models? Why do they love the Kardashians? I guess women like sexy women too.
It's official, everyone likes to look at hot women.
But there's a pretty big difference between appreciation or attraction and objectification. No one expects that men (or even women) won't notice an attractive person, but when that person is reduced to a collection of body parts or treated as solely decorative as if their body is up for public comment, that's a problem.
I'd appreciate it if you could describe what you mean more fully.
For instance, when a see a woman who is particularly attractive to me, my initial reaction is sort of "wow". I may look at them some more to appreciate their appearance, and enjoy the view. I'm not speaking of women are particularly provocative which I don't find attractive actually, though I will notice them as well. If they are strangers, I don't know anything else about them. I'm happily married and don't cheat on my wife, so there isn't any incentive for me to talk to them or bother them in any way.
Am I objectifying them? Leering?
If I *was* looking (like a long time ago), I may be inclined to compliment them or otherwise get to know them better. There are many things that are important to me in a woman, but their appearance is quite important and in random company it is usually the first and most obvious indicator. I think it is normal for guys who are "looking" to make evaluations of the women they see and meet regarding appearance, as in "no", "maybe", "just right", "too good for me", "too sleazy", "not sleazy enough", etc.
So should we never have adds that present women in an erotic manner? Do women who see a David Beckham add are also going to start to view men are only good for their abs? As long as the women or men in questioned isn't being exploited I don't have a problem with it. These adds are meant to entice sexual feelings in someone, I don't think that would equate to men suddenly thinking women are only good for their looks. To be honest I think porn is a bigger problem for that issue.
Historically women have been sexually objectified more than men, exponentially. There is a reason the expression for the riotous life has been described as "wine, women, and song." Frankly, I don't know of a culture that has typically objectified only men, but many cultures have and still do objectify women exclusively. The fact it is less true in the 21st century western culture doesn't mean there is anything like a balance. The difference is real and it is serious.
Men can be athletic and attractive and be considered "socially acceptable." On the other hand, they can be powerful and successful but can have a big beer gut and a huge bald spot, and they're still "socially acceptable."
There isn't an arbitrary double standard. This is the standard imposed on men by women. Reality proves that even in this day and age the fat bald guy can get hot chix if he is rich. If he is such a jerk that he can't get them via "romance", then he will just hire them.
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Now, the general consensus is that it's too much to expect a man to provide for the entire household in today's world. Stay-at-home moms are now being seen as lazy and a burden.
It *is* much harder for a single earner in this day. 40 years ago it was easy for any guy to earn enough to support a family, even low skill jobs. Not anymore.
Women are every bit as much *down* on stay at home moms as men. Probably more so. It's the women's lib thing primarily. It certainly wasn't the guys who were urging women to get out of the house and pursue careers.
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Now, women should be career-driven and should bring home a decent paycheck, but we are still expected to do what has always been expected of us -- stay thin and in shape, keep our hair and makeup done, dress nicely, take care of the kids and take care of the home.
And it's imposed by women at least as much as men. Guys in general couldn't care less how much the women makes. I know I don't. I care that she is smart. I care that she is relaxed and thoughtful. If her "life" makes her busy and scattered, that is a huge liability. I would *only* want to have kids if my wife was eager and willing to stay home and care for them, at least most of the time. Pursuing a career isn't compatible with that.
Sexual attraction is super important. For guys a lot of this is physical appearance and how well the woman takes care of herself. For me, I don't care for makeup and fancy hair or clothes at all, but I do want them to be fit.
I think women should have the right to show off any part of their body and not be subjugated to a world where men's sexual desires, lack of control, or hidden agendas deter this right. To this end, no, I don't care if a female decides to "show off"... but saying it's okay to be objectified is never okay, in my mind.
Objectification is inherently negative. There is nothing positive about being seen as a piece of meat or an object. Being appreciated for one's assets are fine and dandy. Being objectified for them is not.
Objectification does not exist, period.
Anytime a man finds a woman to be attractive in any way, whether that is admiring her physical beauty, admiring her sexually, etc etc, it is a form of appreciation. Men dont look at women like "pieces of meat", they look at them as sexual partners to mate with, even if it is at a very animalistic level.
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