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Old 03-29-2020, 09:14 PM
 
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Nothing is stopping local governments from issuing stay at home orders.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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Outside of Lombardy, the nationwide fine was raised from about $430 to $3,227.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-...-defy-lockdown
Should be:

Outside of Lombardy, the nationwide fine was raised to a range of between $430 to $3,227.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:24 AM
 
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Nothing is stopping local governments from issuing stay at home orders.
Exactly, just as there is nothing preventing the issuance of a state-wide stay-at-home order in Florida. Obviously, it's more difficult for local governments that haven't YET suffered an escalation of the COVID-19 epidemic to issue stay-at-home orders than it is for the state of Florida, already in the nascent stage of epidemic escalation and with a significant part of the state already shut down by local orders, even though apparently inadequately enforced.

This Harvard Business Review study explains how the U.S. is repeating the many policy failures in Italy.

<<The systematic inability to listen to experts highlights the trouble that leaders — and people in general — have figuring out how to act in dire, highly complex situations where there’s no easy solution. The desire to act causes leaders to rely on their gut feeling or the opinions of their inner circle. But in a time of uncertainty, it is essential to resist that temptation, and instead take the time to discover, organize, and absorb the partial knowledge that is dispersed across different pockets of expertise.>>

https://hbr.org/2020/03/lessons-from...to-coronavirus

Do Florida's local governments have the authority to fine violators of the local stay-at-home orders? Have any passed legislation to do so? If so, what is the fine?

I guess politicians wait until it's too late, after the hospitals have exceeded capacity and ICU capacity is rationed under a triage system that dooms the elderly and more seriously ill, before instituting fines for violating social distancing orders.

E.g., hard-hit New York City just instituted fines of $250 to $500 for violators of social distancing policies.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-...to-500-1269545

If such fines had been instituted many days ago, when social distancing orders first went into effect, they would have helped flatten the infection and hospitalization curves.

Even New York City's fines are issued only to repeat offenders, while in Italy the fines apply to those who even exercise outdoors.

https://abc11.com/society/what-to-le...italy/6043728/

If Italy's death rate reaches 20,000 from its current total of almost 11,000, it will represent a fatality rate of 3.3 persons per 10,000 among Italy's 60 million population.

Two weeks into a heightened level of deaths, and three weeks after the nationwide shutdown, there are still no definitive signs of a peak in the deaths, although it appears both the rate of increase in new confirmed cases and deaths is slowly falling.

<<The peak we had been expecting two weeks ago has yet to arrive and, according to Silvio Brusaferro, Commissario Straordinario of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità, warned Friday, “We have neither reached it, nor surpassed it.”

There are the faintest glimmers of hope. The number of confirmed cases reached 97,689 as of late Sunday, up from 92,472 on Saturday. That was the lowest 24-hour increase in infections since last Wednesday. The rise in the number of deaths from COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, slowed on Sunday for the second consecutive day. >>

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...eak-2020-03-30

If the U.S. death rate reaches 3/10,000, total U.S. deaths would fall into the range of 100,000 to 200,000 predicted by Dr. Fauci yesterday. Arguably with its relative to Italy paucity of testing resources and personal protection equipment, the U.S. mortality rate may be higher than in Italy. Disastrously, the death toll will be especially high among front line personnel. At least 50 doctors have already died in Italy, including 17 in just Bergamo, a city of 120,000. The death count among nurses likely is even much higher.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/italia...-deaths-climb/

Disastrously, the U.S. general population lacks masks. Combined with the slowness in instituting social distance policies and their relatively lax enforcement, it wouldn't be surprising if the peak of the U.S. COVID-19 crisis will be worse than in Italy as will the eventual toll on the nation both in deaths and economic destruction.

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Old 03-30-2020, 07:57 AM
 
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Sunday March 29, 2020.....

FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care

"The agency allowed for the drugs to be "donated to the Strategic National Stockpile to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible," HHS said in a statement, announcing that Sandoz donated 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to the stockpile and Bayer donated 1 million doses of chloroquine."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ia-drug-155095

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DeSantis says shipment of hydroxychlorquine on way to Florida


"Florida’s governor Ron DeSantis announced in the opening of his Saturday coronavirus briefing that hospital systems in Dade, Broward and Hillsborough counties, plus some hospitals in Orlando will receive the drug."

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...ay-to-florida/




....waiting on the spin
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:37 AM
 
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Are you simply copying/pasting various articles here? I'm not understanding your all-over-the-place posts.
Watch it, you might get a ten day ban for just saying such a thing.
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Nothing is stopping local governments from issuing stay at home orders.
Nothing is stopping DeSantis from issuing a statewide stay-at-home order.

Florida is the No. 1 state in the US today for new covid cases.

Gov. DeSantis' inaction is a direct threat to the safety of millions of seniors who live there.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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and I guess the new drive through testing centers....more test kits...and more testing had little to do with that
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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Nothing is stopping DeSantis from issuing a statewide stay-at-home order.

Florida is the No. 1 state in the US today for new covid cases.

Gov. DeSantis' inaction is a direct threat to the safety of millions of seniors who live there.
So you are admitting that local governments do not know what is in their best interests?
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:59 PM
 
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Nothing is stopping DeSantis from issuing a statewide stay-at-home order.

Florida is the No. 1 state in the US today for new covid cases.

Gov. DeSantis' inaction is a direct threat to the safety of millions of seniors who live there.
I disagree at this point in time. There are several county's that have no cases, and severa more with just a few. Go county by county on this map, and then let us know if you still feel that way...

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida...-map/31941448#
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Old 03-30-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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MARCH 30, 2020 11:31 AM

DeSantis’ executive order to urge Southeast Floridians to stay home through ‘mid-May’


Gov. Ron DeSantis will turn safer-at-home advice into an order, but only for Southeast Florida, he announced Monday.

At a press conference at the drive-thru testing site at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens on Monday, DeSantis announced he would be signing an executive order urging those in Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Monroe Counties to stay home through “mid-May.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...241609941.html
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