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I agree Bale. My husband got his second Pfizer shot in April and has been housebound with what we normally would think is a summer cold for the past week. However, after a teledoc appointment this morning, he is going in for a COVID test. If positive, that means he had only about 4 months of protection. This situation is so difficult on so many levels for the world.
Several countries, including Israel and Qatar, now reporting that the mitigative shots' effectiveness against hospitalization around 89%, not far from what Dade County has been reporting on a daily basis for several weeks now.
Head of CDC now acknowledges that the 97% effectiveness rate of the mitigative shots against hospitalization is outdated, so significant probability that an 85%-90% mitigation rate against hospitalization will be officially recognized. Also acknowledges that mitigative effect against symptomatic infection may be as low as 40%, no higher than 80%.
Mitigative shots, then.
Central government team also announced today that booster program will be open to everyone eligible starting in September.
Waning effectiveness mitigative shots, then.
Maybe we need a more robust set of mitigative tools? Or should we stick to the marketing campaign that one single tool fixes everything immediately?
Lead doctor in Philadelphia, a pediatric vaccination specialist, also recently quoted saying that the marketing of the mitigative shoots generated expectations that were too high and now disappointment, with possible detrimental effects in the upcoming second round.
According to Dade County's daily report "Moving to a New Abnormal Daily Dashboard" at August 16, still some 14%-15% of CoViD-19 patients admitted to hospital have had the mitigative shots.
I can't know the veracity of the numbers in this report, or in any other report, and much less so of any two-second blurb on mass media, or if these numbers can be extrapolated across the state, country, world, but these numbers have been so consistent over a period of weeks now that one may conclude that the mitigative shots' effective mitigation of the risk of hospitalization has by now waned to around 85%-86%, not 99% as so often repeated in the mass-media.
To be sure 85%-86% is way better than zero, but not very awe-inspiring either.
By the way, the increasing number of young children in hospital also appears disturbing.
At any rate, be prepared for another round of hard-marketing on booster shots in the next several weeks and months, also targeted at children 11 and younger, with the promise that this is the magic round, all by itself, which is indeed the true holy grail that we've all been seeking, with no need to go equally hard on all the other mitigative measures.
And when that campaign proves to be only partially successful like the first one, they will do it again, and again, and again, and again, until even the owners of the mitigative shots get fatigued.
On a less sour note, it does seem, so far, that the rate of deaths is about as marginally low as in previous waves, though these numbers are reported only weekly, why I have no idea. In any case, maybe it means that treatments in hospital have become a bit more effective in saving lives?
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Several countries, including Israel and Qatar, now reporting that the mitigative shots' effectiveness against hospitalization around 89%, not far from what Dade County has been reporting on a daily basis for several weeks now.
Head of CDC now acknowledges that the 97% effectiveness rate of the mitigative shots against hospitalization is outdated, so significant probability that an 85%-90% mitigation rate against hospitalization will be officially recognized. Also acknowledges that mitigative effect against symptomatic infection may be as low as 40%, no higher than 80%.
Mitigative shots, then.
Central government team also announced today that booster program will be open to everyone eligible starting in September.
Waning effectiveness mitigative shots, then.
Maybe we need a more robust set of mitigative tools? Or should we stick to the marketing campaign that one single tool fixes everything immediately?
Lead doctor in Philadelphia, a pediatric vaccination specialist, also recently quoted saying that the marketing of the mitigative shoots generated expectations that were too high and now disappointment, with possible detrimental effects in the upcoming second round.
Good Luck!
How about posting links substantiating your statements? It's impossible to know whether you are posting fact or fiction, especially when you insist on calling COVIDS vaccine shots "mitigative" shots. Anti-virals and antibody cocktails are mitigative shots administered AFTER INFECTION, but COVID vaccines PREVENT infection in the majority of recipients, and PREVENT hospitalization and death in the vast majority of recipients.
Vaccines also reportedly reduce transmission and reportedly the occurrence and severity of COVID sequelae (long COVID). Vaccines are administered BEFORE infection in most cases, whereas mitigative medicines are administered after infection or before reinfection.
Just curious. Is there an American Guide to Big Lie Propaganda that suggests, extraordinarily ridiculously, labeling a vaccine as a mitigative shot???
It's great that death rates are so low. It may be because hospitalized individuals are being given antibody cocktails and other more advanced treatments now that hospitals and COVID physicians have treated COVID victims for an entire year. I've seen no studies indicating what percentage of hospitalized patients today receive antibody cocktails; but about 120,000 doses of Regeneron currently are being administered weekly. Apparently, Regeneron is being administered to high risk individuals even before they are hospitalized if they test positive for COVID.
<<Now, amid the delta variant surge, the cocktail is rapidly becoming a more common, even routine medical response to a positive coronavirus test in a high-risk patient. Federal and state officials are promoting it, particularly in hard-hit areas, and demand has exploded from a trickle to more than 120,000 doses a week by the latest count from its maker, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.>>
A lower death rate doesn't detract from the consequences of record hospitalizations. These include 1) a much higher risk of developing sequelae (long COVID) than among those who are asymptomatic; 2) the cost of hospitalization, a significant expense for the many with large health insurance deductibles, and a major burden on Medicaid, Medicare and other health insurance providers, as well as hospitals that must write off the cost of treating the uninsured to the extent not reimbursed by the federal government.
ANYWAY IT IS SLICED, THE COST OF TREATING COVID IS A MAJOR FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE U.S. ECONOMY, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE REDUCTION IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AMONG THE MANY WHO ARE ENGAGING IN AT LEAST A PARTIAL SELF-IMPOSED LOCKDOWN. SADLY, POLITICAL LEADERS AND THE MEDIA IGNORE THE STAGGERING NUMBERS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE DEVELOPING LONG COVID SEQUELAE. WHILE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS FOCUSED ON REDUCING HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATH, IT EXPRESSES RELATIVLEY LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE MANY INFECTED INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL DEVELOP LONG COVID SYMPTOMS. INDIVIDUALS WHO DEVELOP LONG COVID LIKELY WILL NEED HEIGHTENED LEVELS OF MEDICAL TREATMENT AND MAYBE EVEN ASSISTED CARE, ALSO NEW AND LASTING BURDENS ON THE ECONOMY.
The CDC no longer even tracks breakthrough COVID cases among those who are not hospitalized. It provides little or no information about the prevalence, type, severity, and persistence of COVID sequelae.
While the Delta variant raises the COVID infection rates and hospitalization rates among children, our political leaders and the media don't emphasize enough, or at all, that most of the effective treatments available to adults, such as Regeneron, aren't available to children.
Given currently limited treatment options for children who test positive for COVID, even for high-risk or hospitalized children, the opposition of Gov. Ron DeSantis and other Republican political leaders to universal masking in schools is even more ghoulish.
Vaccines are administered BEFORE infection in most cases, whereas mitigative medicines are administered after infection or before reinfection.
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Vaccines are administered BEFORE infection or reinfection (for those previously infected) in most cases, whereas mitigative medicines are administered after infection.
All I know is that 4 months after getting the 2nd Pfizer jab my husband is COVID positive. I’m getting tested this afternoon (I got my 2nd Moderna shot in February).
Someone is going to be hard-pressed to convince me that these current vaccines provide 100% long-term immunity. Masks, lockdowns and vaccines are not going to cut it.
There needs to be a more effective vaccine, something along the lines like measles or mumps, something that provides immunity for life. Or, if that’s not possible, then market this as something like the flu vaccine; it may provide immunity, but if it doesn’t, it gives you a fighting chance against death or hospitalization.
But going along as we are now? It’s a bandaid. And an expensive one as we’ll eventually have to pay for these medical and economic costs.
Antibody COVID infusion treatment is most effective when administered as early as possible after the onset of infection. So the Trump/DeSantis/Republican mantra that understates the seriousness of a COVID infection perhaps lowers the willingness of individuals to take COVID seriously and to get tests when COVID symptoms first appear.
Complicating an individual's willingness to test for COVID, Delta variant symptoms for the fully vaccinated have been described as resembling a summer cold. Delta symptoms for the unvaccinated are very similar, according to the following report.
<< Nearly 74% of fully vaccinated contributors to the company's smartphone app reported having a runny nose when they had COVID, according to a video by one of the study's lead researchers posted in late July, as Delta variant cases were spiking in both countries. Headache, sneezing, sore throat, and loss of smell rounded out the rest of the top five symptoms for fully vaccinated people who contracted COVID....
"In terms of the symptoms that we see that are different between vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, the symptoms really remained the same," says Dr. Jack O'Horo, a critical care and infectious diseases specialist at the Mayo Clinic.
"We're still looking at initially cold-type symptoms like cough and fever. And people who have more severe infections, pneumonia-type infection symptoms," said O'Horo.>>
<<The New York Times has reported that treatments can be given to anyone who has tested positive for COVID-19, is at high risk of developing a severe form of the disease, and is within 10 days of developing symptoms. This group includes people who are at least 65 and those who are obese or who have medical conditions like diabetes....
Because the coronavirus replicates fastest in the early days of infection, scientists believe antibody drugs must be administered as soon as possible after patients develop symptoms. Studies have not found antibody drugs to be effective in hospitalized patients with more severe illness, and they may even worsen outcomes, according to the FDA.>>
While Gov. DeSantis promotes the Regeneron antibody cocktail, he also opposes mask mandates, especially in schools, and efforts to encourage vaccination with vaccine passports, etc. It's not clear if DeSantis knows, or ever admits, that the Regeneron antibody cocktail is not available to children under 12, who also are not eligible for vaccination. By opposing school mask mandates, DeSantis raises the risk of transmission and infection for schoolchildren, with those under 12 most impacted by the DeSantis policies.
Antibody COVID infusion treatment is most effective when administered as early as possible after the onset of infection. So the Trump/DeSantis/Republican mantra that understates the seriousness of a COVID infection perhaps lowers the willingness of individuals to take COVID seriously and to get tests when COVID symptoms first appear.
Complicating an individual's willingness to test for COVID, Delta variant symptoms for the fully vaccinated have been described as resembling a summer cold. Delta symptoms for the unvaccinated are very similar, according to the following report.
<< Nearly 74% of fully vaccinated contributors to the company's smartphone app reported having a runny nose when they had COVID, according to a video by one of the study's lead researchers posted in late July, as Delta variant cases were spiking in both countries. Headache, sneezing, sore throat, and loss of smell rounded out the rest of the top five symptoms for fully vaccinated people who contracted COVID....
"In terms of the symptoms that we see that are different between vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, the symptoms really remained the same," says Dr. Jack O'Horo, a critical care and infectious diseases specialist at the Mayo Clinic.
"We're still looking at initially cold-type symptoms like cough and fever. And people who have more severe infections, pneumonia-type infection symptoms," said O'Horo.>>
<<The New York Times has reported that treatments can be given to anyone who has tested positive for COVID-19, is at high risk of developing a severe form of the disease, and is within 10 days of developing symptoms. This group includes people who are at least 65 and those who are obese or who have medical conditions like diabetes....
Because the coronavirus replicates fastest in the early days of infection, scientists believe antibody drugs must be administered as soon as possible after patients develop symptoms. Studies have not found antibody drugs to be effective in hospitalized patients with more severe illness, and they may even worsen outcomes, according to the FDA.>>
While Gov. DeSantis promotes the Regeneron antibody cocktail, he also opposes mask mandates, especially in schools, and efforts to encourage vaccination with vaccine passports, etc. It's not clear if DeSantis knows, or ever admits, that the Regeneron antibody cocktail is not available to children under 12, who also are not eligible for vaccination. By opposing school mask mandates, DeSantis raises the risk of transmission and infection for schoolchildren, with those under 12 most impacted by the DeSantis policies.
it's ironic how DeSantis and Trump are pro life on abortion but against safety measure to prevent further covid deaths.
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